High-Functioning Anxiety, Perfectionism and Overcontrol: A New Way of Understanding Anxiety (Part 1 of 2) with Dr Ellen Astrachan-Fletcher
In this episode, Wendy is joined by Dr Ellen Astrachan-Fletcher, clinical psychologist, Lecturer at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine, Associate Professor of Clinical Psychology at the University of Illinois at Chicago, and a senior Radically Open DBT clinician trained directly by its founder, Dr Thomas Lynch. She is the co-author of three workbooks, including The Radically Open DBT Workbook for Anxiety: A Path to Peace Through Openness, Flexibility, and Connection, published in 2026.This is part one of two, and it covers a framework for understanding anxiety that is genuinely different from most of what gets discussed in this space.The conversation opens with high-functioning anxiety: the experience of feeling all the physical symptoms of anxiety, the racing heart, the dread, the tension, and continuing to function anyway. From the outside, nothing looks wrong. On the inside, the cost can be significant.Dr Astrachan-Fletcher introduces the concept of emotional overcontrol and what distinguishes it from simply being organised or disciplined. Overcontrolled people are not controlling in the way that word is usually meant. They have a particular temperament: high threat sensitivity, high detail focus, low reward sensitivity, low novelty seeking, and superior inhibitory control. This means they can hold things in for a very long time. And eventually, something gives, often in private, or suddenly and disproportionately in front of the people they trust most.The episode also covers the three mind states in Radically Open DBT: fixed mind, which pushes feedback away with hostility and opposition; fatalistic mind, which escapes by going silent or suddenly agreeing; and flexible mind, the goal of treatment, which asks whether there might be something to learn. This framework is especially relevant to perfectionism, because for someone who believes they must appear perfect at all times, feedback does not feel like information. It feels like an attack.There is also a genuinely moving section on why overcontrolled people often feel profoundly alone even when surrounded by people, and why the apparent self-sufficiency that makes them so competent at life can quietly signal to others that they are cold, untrustworthy or uninterested in connection, when what they are actually feeling is fear.Part two continues the conversation with Dr Astrachan-Fletcher next week.The Radically Open DBT Workbook for Anxiety is available on Amazon and at all major booksellers.To contact Dr Astrachan-Fletcher or find out more about EAF ReCenter:👉 https://www.eaf-recenter.com📧 [email protected] learn more about Wendy’s work, explore resources, or stay up to date with future episodes, visit:👉 https://wendycastelino.com/If you found this episode helpful, please consider subscribing, leaving a review, or sharing it with someone who might benefit. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.