Bitcoin Homeschoolers

SHOW TOPICS:  Ever feel overwhelmed about homeschooling?  You’ll find inspiration in Leigh Ann and Jason’s story.  They are homeschooling six kids!!!  They cover how it feels to get started, using analogies like super-bananas, and general principles, like teaching kids to govern themselves.  Also, since Jason is the ambassador concierge at Satlantis, we preview this Nostr/Bitcoin project at the end of the program.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Leigh Ann and Jason’s backgroundJason is the one who suggested homeschooling to Leigh AnnDoesn’t hurt to try homeschoolingIt is so nice spending time with your childrenThey don’t separate parenting from homeschoolingTheir grandfather would quiz the kids to test the effectiveness of homeschoolingTurning the tables, when your kids know more about subjects than youJason’s personal education experiences Compliments from others about how well behaved their kids are, testament to homeschooling kids socializing with people of all agesManaging time, allowing for flow, following the unschooling approachLearning is best done through experience, it is not like uploading Kungfu in the MatrixLow time preference mentality applied to homeschooling includes investing learning skills, e.g., reading, early“Living books”, aka Charlotte Mason method, learning history through historyThe power of choice, e.g., letting kids select subjects they want to learn deeplyOne of their favorites is “Vincent's Starry Night and Other Stories: A Children's History of Art” by Michael BirdSelf-custody of parenting means kids can explore topics outside of the limited state-dictated curriculumUltimate goal is to prepare kids for the adult worldAll of their kids are in BitcoinPower of analogy … Using the story of “The Super Banana” to explain Bitcoin to a 10 year oldTeach correct principles and let people govern themselves, let them verify for themselves and live themKids are worth more than Super Bananas (Bitcoin)Jason’s journey from outside-in (Bitcoin can save the world) to inside-out (the personal revolution)God’s hand guiding us along the wayHomeschooling is what you make itIt takes a lot of time investment to find good homeschooling resourcesLeigh Ann’s recommendations: “The Good and the Beautiful”, “Starfall”, and “I See Sam”Homeschooling allows parent-teachers to adjust programs 1-on-1 to adapt and fit individual learning styles of each child, contrast with the one-size-fits-all-approach public-school teachers have to use to teach classes of 20+ studentsStrengths, weaknesses and interests … the key is to listen to your kids, do not buy into institutional standards e.g., Common Core or No Child Left Behind (Jason calls the latter socialized education)Don’t replicate the system you pulled your kids out of, i.e., public schools, it will stress you outKids naturally want to learn, laziness is a mythRESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:Jason’s twitter: @geekigaiJason’s Nostr: [email protected] or npub1693220pmp0a4c04a0p7hkz874vsxkyfrvtk2yk4zjyj3e4c0ugjs3r4j0c21Jason’s book “21 Questions: A Beginners Guide to Bitcoin”, https://a.co/d/0mcMtUCSatlantis, https://www.satlantis.io/placeBitcoin Chattanooga, <a href="https://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-chattanooga/"...

SHOW TOPICS:  Bridgette brings the receipts.  It’s passion, not a teaching degree, that unlocks education.  She creatively meets kids where they are, e.g., dealing with developmentally delayed, non-verbal, traumatized, beaten, autistic, et al.  She is a grandmother entrepreneur!  She is starting her own preschool based on how kids really learn, not based on fiat curriculums.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Mother of five decided to go back into the workforceWent back to college at 45Using a keyboard to make jingles was one of her early creative ways to reach childrenThe “five senses” is one of the favorites with the kidsShe became DJ BJ the rapping school teacherShe was encouraged to record her songs in a studio after which she wrote a book to go along with eachShe started a business, Creatively Invented, which produces catchy, hip hop educational products for home and schoolBridgette calls this “edutainment”The principal began sending her all the problem kidsAnother popular book was her “Use Your Manners” which features two kids as superheroes, “Suprepreneurs” She picked things the kids like but is not in the curriculum, e.g., microphones, robots, marble trees, pencils with themes like Ninja Turtles, shaving cream, marsh mellows, giant rain sticks, magnets,In one particular challenge case, she let the kid lead the classIn another case a kid went from nonverbal to talkingThere’s not just one way to teach kidsLarge rooms help a lot She also would get dressed up in different costumesFor some, teaching is a paycheck.  For some like Bridgette, teaching is a passion.Bridgette strongly recommends getting involved with the community, do research, talk to people, learn what extra curriculum activities are availableSocial emotional piece is critical to reaching kidsShe is launching a preschool, WOW Factory Academy, Inc.  WOW stands for “wonders of the world”.  No time limits, edutainment, invention-education, manners, performing arts, creative art, financial literacy, engineering, other “wow” experiences.Superpreneur Project is for pre-school to 3rd grade, teaches money principles and how to start their own business, includes a journal and flashcardsRESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:Bridgette’s resources on Amazon  https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B01JDV02KEBridgette’s LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/bridgette-johnson-bb143656/Bridgette’s website https://creativelyinvented.comSecond Step https://www.secondstep.orgConscious Discipline https://consciousdiscipline.comSchool of Tomorrow https://www.aceschooloftomorrow.comHAPPY TO HELP:Tali's Twitter @OrangeHatterPodScott's Twitter @ScottLindberg93Scott's nostr npub19jkuyl0wgrj8kccqzh2vnseeql9v98ptrx407ca9qjsrr4x5j9tsnxx0q6Free Market Kids' Twitter @FreeMarketKidsFree Market Kids' games including HODL UP at <a href="https://www.freemarketkids.com/"...

SHOW TOPICS:  To have sovereign money, we must have sovereign education.  In today’s episode, we explore sovereign education in Alaska with bitcoin homeschoolers, Wade and Tami.  They are breaking the misconception you can’t homeschool if both parents work.  They have also taken the initiative to organize the 2025 Bitcoin Alaska conference.  So much proof of work!  Check out their story.IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Homebridge is one of three options for parents in Juneau, AlaskaDuring the pandemic, Wade and Tami witnessed how poorly the school system was being runA second factor that led to homeschooling was a first-hand experience from political agendas being pushed in public schoolsStart homeschooling with kids as young as possibleWad and Tami do not let their younger children have unsupervised access to digital devicesPsychosis is being actively allowed and taught in public schoolsAn elementary school had a “coming out transgender” party for an eight year old without the knowledge of the kids’ parentsTheir kids are more diverse in terms of being able to socialize with other ages than their public school counterpartsEvery state is different and the Alaska constitution mandates a robust public school systemHomebridge was established during COVIDIt includes a physical location staffed by a teacherKids in the program have access to the public school library, sports and classesParents also get payments to be used on other activities, e.g., karate, ceramics, swimming, online classes, photography,Offering topics outside of what public schools offer is a huge upside to homeschoolingOpened the door for dual-income families to still homeschoolGeographic arbitrage is how Wade described the ability to move to other states … in the long term, parents can vote with their feetTheir kids have been exposed to Bitcoin and even ask to get chore money in bitcoin instead of fiatSociety (thanks to fiat indoctrination) drastically underestimates when kids can learn new material Wade is a Mi Primer Bitcoin light node and teaches their diploma at their local Juneau meetupAlaskan natives are very proud of being sovereign peopleWhat “sovereign education” really meansOne of the hardest things that challenged Wade and Tami was the stigma of what “homeschooling” means, especially when both parents workThere’s a huge lobby from the education union to push kids back into school because they’re losing fundsThe swamp to include the government, NGO’s, unions, other special interests are going to fight harder than ever to protect their gravy train.  Parents must stand up for their rights.  The statists do not care about what is best for the child, nor what is the most effective and efficient method of education.  They care only about keeping power and control.To win the big battle we must remove the money.  That’s the only way long term to win.  The education infinite game.We all have different roles to play in the short and long term games. RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:Twitter @BitcoinAlaskaTwitter @AlaskaBTCHomebridge, https://homebridge.juneauschools.orgGirls on the Run, https://www.girlsontherun.orgHomeschool Defense League, https://hslda.orgMi Primer Bitcoin “Diploma”, <a...

SHOW TOPICS:  In today’s episode we explore the convergence of technology, education and health.  It is alarming how distractions like phone notifications, blue light and social media algorithms just wreak havoc with our circadian rhythms and other aspects of our health.  This dysfunctional relationship with technology is what motivated Anjan to development the DaylightComputer, a true low-time-preference technology.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Anjan’s background and love for technologyTug of war for kids … benefits of technology versus the downsides, e.g., distractions, addiction, blue light, etc.“Respect for that which is Lindy”Technology is mis-matched to how humans naturally evolved, e.g., constant notifications, blue light at night, et alThe Daylight Computer is like the Marauder’s Map in Harry Potter in that it looks like ink appearing/disappearing and requires light shined on it to seeSovereignty applied to every layer: physical health sovereignty, cognitive sovereignty, nervous system sovereignty, monetary and digital sovereigntyDopamine system encourages people to enjoy learning but computers were designed to take advantage of this same system to make screen time more addictingThe goal of Daylight Computer is to give some option but not to go cold turkey on existing devicesThe product is just as impactful for adults as kids, especially for reading and writing, and it’s healthyIt is low-time-preference technologyDifferent parenting approaches to digital devicesHow flickering works and hurts usersDr John Ott’s book “Health and Light”Jonathan Haidt’s books “Anxious Generation” and “Coddling of the American Mind”Post concussion syndrome and reason to stay away from screens after injuryScreen apnea and its impact on breathing and on sleep, we are physiologically compromised “The Primer” from Neal Stephenson’s novel “The Diamond Age”, inspiring vision for Anjan’s magic (self-learning) book equivalentTeach kids agency and self-learningNew computer ecosystem RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:The Daylight computer https://daylightcomputer.comAnjan’s Twitter @daylightcoAnjan’s email [email protected] Haidt’s book “The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness” Jonathan Jonathan Haidt’s book “The Coddling of the American Mind: How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure” “Brilliant” learning platform https://brilliant.org/John N. Ott’s book “Health and Light: The extraordinary Study that Shows How light Affects Your Health and Emotional Well Being”Video “BAD LIGHT! Effects of Fluorescent Light Irritation on Children and Animals”  https://youtu.be/48WbF-qOQc4Neal Stephenson’s novel “The Diamond Age”HAPPY TO HELP:Tali's Twitter @OrangeHatterPodScott's Twitter @ScottLindberg93Scott's nostr npub19jkuyl0wgrj8kccqzh2vnseeql9v98ptrx407ca9qjsrr4x5j9tsnxx0q6Free Market Kids' Twitter @FreeMarketKidsFree Market Kids' games including HODL UP at https://www.freemarketkids.com  WAYS TO SUPPORT:Subscribe, like and share this podcast with...

SHOW TOPICS:  Learn about homeschooling in India.  Vikas and Chhaya Yadav let their son make decisions, including whether to homeschool and to choose subjects he is most interested in.  It’s a customized curriculum at a customized speed.  They allow him to follow his natural talents and interests versus prescribed subjects and pursuit of highest paid professions.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Homeschooling is legal in India but students still need to take mandatory examsVikas and Chhaya’s approach is to let their son follow his curiosityThey let their son decide whether to continue homeschooling or public schoolingLetting kids make mistakes or have to admit they do not know somethingThey leverage multiple resources, e.g., Kahn AcademyThey spent some time in Peru, where the education culture is more western and very different from Asia cultureIdentity politics are a global problem, India has similar trends that the US has in terms of work environments that were once meritocracies but now have discrimination, everyone is now categorized by their religion or casteIn India, mandatory exams fundamentally impact kids’ futures so tremendous energy and time is focused on preparing for taking examsWith homeschooling, you have a 1:1 student to teacher ratio versus 30:1 or 50:1 in public schoolsTeaching through story is powerful, one of the examples they used was reading “The Martian” with their sonPublic school students are not confident of what they want but are still expected to make a decision what to pursue in college, but nature is designed for us to be flexible, for us to change our decisionsFollowing natural talents and interests versus prescribed subjects and pursuit of highest paid professions, the latter leads people to jobs they dislike and perform poorly inNow is the time to try homeschooling, you can always go back to state schoolsBest teacher we can be is to be ourselves to our children RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:“The Martian” by Andy WeirHomeschooling group, swashikshan.Another organization, Shikshantar. They have a university with no curriculum. Annual LSUC (Learning Societies Unconference) is much larger than just home schoolingVikas’ website, https://thevikas.com/HAPPY TO HELP:Tali's Twitter @OrangeHatterPodScott's Twitter @ScottLindberg93Scott's nostr npub19jkuyl0wgrj8kccqzh2vnseeql9v98ptrx407ca9qjsrr4x5j9tsnxx0q6Free Market Kids' Twitter @FreeMarketKidsFree Market Kids' games including HODL UP at https://www.freemarketkids.com  WAYS TO SUPPORT:We are our own sponsors and are so grateful for all of you who support this show.  Thank you!Subscribe, like and share this podcast with others.The intro/extro music is from TipNZ.  Tip educates through her music, exploring the Bitcoin universe with visual storytelling, sick beats & profound lyrics.  https://www.tipnz.com/Crazy awesome Collector’s Edition of HODL UP is available at https://www.freemarketkids.com/products/hodl-up-2024-halving-limited-editionVisit our “Free Market Kids“ for products like the Bitcoin mining game, HODL UP  <a href="https://www.freemarketkids.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer"...

SHOW TOPICS:  Today, the tables are turned.  Vivian Cheng, host of “Life with Bitcoin,” interviews Scott and Tali about their homeschool journey.  She asks deep and personal questions about fears, decision making in relationships and more.  Note this is the homeschooling portion of a more comprehensive discussion including backgrounds, zero time preference game theory, and more.  Please support Vivian and check out the full “Life with Bitcoin” episode.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:·      Scott and Tali’s decision to homeschool·      The commitment to start·      Resistance from both sides of the family·      Be the best you can be in one area versus trying to well in everything·      Factors to consider when deciding to homeschool·      Full spectrum of options for parents controlling their kids’ education·      Who do you trust?   Outsourcing vs. self-custodying your parenting·      Critical importance of parent-child relationships·      Emotional intelligence for a lifetime·      Leading by example·      Greatest challenges with homeschooling·      There are so many support groups, e.g., co-ops·      Zero time preference thinking … Why are you doing this?·      Beware of the push for women to have both careers and families·      How Scott was involved in the homeschooling experience·      Reflections on lessons learned and what they would have done differently·      Homeschooled kids interact very well with people of all ages … the opposite of the socialization FUD·      Kids are not judging Tali and Scott by their fiat titles … Their kids are watching the example they are setting as a couple creating a company·      How they balanced parenting decision making·      Aligned values and division of labor vis-à-vis parenting·      Be a whole person … you don’t have to give up who you are when you’re a parent RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:•               Vivian’s Linktr.ee  https://linktr.ee/LifewithBitcoin•               Vivian’s podcast Twitter  @LifewBitcoin•               Vivian’s personal Twitter  @btcviv•               Vivian’s YouTube  https://youtu.be/MRP52DZeIhQ?si=YKW7CYDcbaPl5ff9•               Jennifer Fox’s “Your Child's Strengths: A Guide for Parents and Teachers”  <a...

SHOW TOPICS:  Dads and soon-to-be-Dads, are you trying to convince your wife to homeschool?   Our guest today, John, shares his story of how he and his wife worked this discussion.  Now, 19 years of homeschooling later, they share their lessons learned and suggestions for others in their book, “This Is Not A School.”  Take self-custody of your parenting.  In the long term, the low time preference view, it’s worth it.  The way we help other parents is by sharing.IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:·      John’s book is “This Is Not A School: A nineteen year family education journal” ·      Their reasons for homeschooling were not religious·      He was inspired by his mother who emphasized how important it is to take full responsibility for the education of your children·      Get the food right is one of the cornerstones of homeschooling·      Limit the bad influences, e.g., what kids may be exposed to in public schools·      John had to convince his wife to homeschool·      You don’t need to have a lot of money to homeschool·      They emphasized to their children that they were responsible for their own education·      Teaching kids how to think for themselves is so important, e.g., critical thinking, mental frameworks·      Self-custody parenting … Take control of what your kids are going to eat, going to experience, going to be exposed to·      Parents are the ones who have the greatest incentive to take care of kids·      When your kids fall down, don’t baby them.  Tell them to get up.·      In many schools, administrators pummel kids with questions that really are suggestions, e.g., do you feel suicidal, do you feel like the opposite sex·      They based their homeschooling on real world projects and situations, e.g., forming a PAC with their children called “Cannabis Consumers for Liberty”·      Their family came under additional scrutiny and potential monitoring … John says that those who homeschool should be prepared for similar treatment·      In the long term, the low time preference view, it’s worth it.  The way we help other parents is by sharing.·      Talk to kids like adults about all subjects, especially money·      They are working with Adam Curry to set up a Lightning node to process microtransactions for their audio book·      The kids were with them when they set up their bitcoin wallet·      Do what you need to do to be present with your family·      If you’re feeling discouraged because it feels challenging to homeschool, don’t give up.  ·      John explains the history of National Computer Systems (NCS) and its influence over the US educational system and standards.  They were purchased by Pearson, a publishing company in London.·      Go to the original, printed sources whenever possible … Build a book library of unabridged classics RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:•               John Dale’s book “This Is Not A School: A nineteen year family...

SHOW TOPICS:  In today's show, Tali shares exciting developments with her early readers series. This is a perfect way to leverage the power of story to engage with your younger children and grandchildren. The accompanying journal not only helps them embrace the concepts, it also provides a time for fellowship and sharing memories.IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:(adding soon) RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW: (adding soon)HAPPY TO HELP:Tali's Twitter @OrangeHatterPodScott's Twitter @ScottLindberg93Scott's nostr npub19jkuyl0wgrj8kccqzh2vnseeql9v98ptrx407ca9qjsrr4x5j9tsnxx0q6Free Market Kids' Twitter @FreeMarketKidsOrange Pill App @FreeMarketKidsFree Market Kids' games including HODL UP https://www.freemarketkids.com/collections/gamesWAYS TO SUPPORT:We are our own sponsors and are so grateful for all of you who support this show.  Thank you!Subscribe, like and share this podcast with othersCrazy awesome 2024 Halving Collector’s Edition of HODL UP is available at https://www.freemarketkids.com/products/hodl-up-2024-halving-limited-editionVisit our “Free Market Kids“ for products like the Bitcoin mining game, HODL UP  https://www.freemarketkids.com,Check out Tali’s podcast by and for Bitcoin women, “Orange Hatter” https://www.orangehatter.com  Have fun with “Proof of Work Apparel” https://www.freemarketkids.com/collections/proof-of-work-apparelSTANDING RESOURCE RECOMMENDATIONS:Article "Homeschoolers Are Bitcoiners Who Don't Know It Yet" https://bitcoinmagazine.com/culture/parallels-between-homeschool-and-bitcoinTali’s “Quick Start” checklist  https://www.freemarketkids.com/blogs/i-want-to-start-homeschooling/i-want-to-start-homeschooling-quick-start-checklistMentioned in this episode:Aleia Free Market Kids Full

SHOW TOPICS:  Today’s show is part of our fundamentals series where we focus on practical ideas and resources.  This episode is especially for younger parents and is dedicated to developing the love of reading mindset.IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Picking the “right” reading material in the context of cultivating the right attitudeManaging parental expectations is also important because your attitude will impact children’s feelings about readingFeatures to look at when kids first start to read:  1.      Books that kids can actually touch and get dirty, e.g., choose books that have texture2.    Books that young kids can easily flip the pages, e.g., cardboard pages, a size they can easily handleAnything, even gimmicky books, that engages their interest is goodLibrary sales are great places to find cheap kids books.  So are church rummage sales, garage sales and homeschool bookstores that sell used materials.Just get kids used to seeing books everywhere … the bedrooms, the car, the stroller, the bathroomGiving kids choices with piles of books gives them the opportunity to choose what look interestingTali found that cartoons with simple lines and large fonts worked best with her kidsShe also did not use phonics to teach kids how to readColoring books and sticker books help grab children’s interestChoose materials less because of the specific topic, even Bitcoin, but more for positive feelingsUse tools, e.g., a ruler with the center area cut out, to help younger readers focus and train their eyesStay away from dumb-downed and abridged editionsLet kids gets pulled into stories, even ones being read by relatives or audible booksSet the example … let your kids see you readBooks allow readers to use their imagination.  Exercise the creativity muscle.It is a disservice to expect certain abilities and skills at certain ages.  Yes, high-time-preference fiat-stress can be a challenge but being aware of this, you can still make reading a prioritySubtitles on for all movies and shows!It’s better to play read stories than to give kids an ipad to watch cartoons.  Cartoons have dumbed-down and overly-simplified language.Scott compares kids’ growing brains to AI language learning Get copies of original, unabridged classics.  Build a library.  There are technocrats who are systematically trying to ban, re-write or otherwise remove them.Don’t lecture while reading, e.g., with Bitcoin kids booksGet them involved, e.g., asking questions while reading to themThere’s nothing more that the child wants than to be with you.  Your presence matters more than book selection. RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THE SHOW:“Ten Little Dinosaurs (Eyeball Animation)” by Pattie Schnetzler and Jim Harris Amazon“How Do Dinosaurs Say Goodnight?” by Jane Yolen and Weston Woods <a...

SHOW TOPICS:  Jim Lord and Gabe Lord share their respective generational perspectives on being on the leading edge of homeschooling in the 1980’s.  Both are Bitcoiners.  Both are veterans.  Listen to how the values of all these areas are intertwined.  IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:Perspective of 2 generations:  military family pioneering homeschooling in the 80’s.In this case, it was the Dad who oranged-pilled his son.Both bringing Bitcoin to veterans through Operation BitcoinThere are many correlations between veterans, Bitcoiners and homeschoolers.How Jim Lord and his fellow homeschooling parents responded to uniformed law enforcement serving them a subpoena for educational child neglectThe government does NOT love youStates receive stipends from the federal government for military dependents attending public school.  This creates unhealthly monetary incentives for the states to act against homeschooling parents.Government officials are typically cowardsTestimony of how advanced students can get poor grades because they are artificially slowed down with standardized curriculum.  Smart students are bored out of their minds.Holding kids back emotionally and/or academically, e.g., because of financial incentives, is disturbing and the reason why taking self-custody of education is so critical.Bad things happen when good people don’t stand up.  But not everyone has resources to make a stand.Support is difficult to find because of trends, e.g. families living far away from relatives, and the need for double-income households. Even if you don’t have kids yet, you can start to build support groups, e.g., veterans, homeschoolers, Bitcoiners, church, etc., early.  If you are not already part of one, then start reaching out to find/build one.Contrasting the experiences of the “worst” and “best” public school districts.Parent-child relations are so, so important.  Gabe and his Dad, Jim, exemplify how homeschooling fosters strong bonds.  And now Gabe is passing this onto his family, with his children.Even when both parents must work to the support the family, that does not mean they don’t have opportunities to bond and teach their children, e.g., Gabe and his daughter doing their own podcast.  Reading to your kids when they babies, young kids can really contribute to the parent-child bond.  Make time for reading to and with your kids.Parents are human too.  You make mistakes.  It’s expected and okay.  Homeschooling allows older children to teach younger children.  This helps both those who teach, those who are being taught, and the parents all benefit.  Sibling-to-sibling relationships are critical just like parent-child relationships.When kids explain ideas to other kids, the teaching-child learns better.  And they increase their confidence as well.Homeschooling is 100% okay in the US military.  Search on the HSLDA website for information.  Schools on military bases are plagued by the same challenges and issues facing all other public schools.As a kid, Gabe sold donuts door-to-door to pay for books and other materials used in their homeschool curriculum.  This is part of how Jim taught their children about money, through experience.Kids are always watching you.  They learn from what’s caught more than what’s taught.Things are more challenging today for kids to earn money.  You can’t just send them into the street.It never really ends.  Learning for both parents and their kids continues...