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Ukraine extra: burner phones and lost children

2026-02-26
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Join Caroline as she visits Ukraine on the fourth anniversary of Russia's invasion. Burner phones to make sure the Russians don't track them as they travel in on a train called the Bravery Express. A meeting with the first lady, and with a woman who was captured and held in a forced labour camp. Kyiv is a busy, modern city where some residents have to find tents to get heating and electricity.


Caroline Wheeler, political editor, The Sunday Times


Producer: Euan Dawtrey

Executive producer: Molly Guinness


Picture credit: Getty Images


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