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Episode 91 - The Innovation4Justice Lab – Creating change through legal education and multidisciplinary collaboration

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We often think about legal innovation and legal education as being separate and distinct but, what if they weren’t? What if students, not just law students, could pursue their passion for change in a way that led to more people, in more places, having access to justice?

That’s the question that the Innovation4Justice (I4J) Lab asked and is answering today.

Our guest for this podcast is Stacy Butler, the Director of the I4J Program. Stacy has a deep history in community advocacy and expanding the reach of civil legal services for under-represented populations. It’s that experience, her passion and drive, that led to the establishment of the I4J Lab and, is evident in all the amazing I4J Lab team members and those with whom they collaborate too. The I4J Lab is a multidisciplinary collaboration between the University of Arizona, the University of Utah, staff, students, the legal ecosystem, many other industries, and communities.

It focuses on creating tools that provide empirical data where that’s been missing in policy formation/deployment and, solutions that enhance access to justice through user centred design and implementation. The I4J Lab is producing outcomes that make a difference. It’s also creating frameworks, models and adopting different ways to solve complex problems in a holistic way. Because the work is also scalable, it has practical application for the entire legal system and marketplace.

There are elements of this work that are familiar but, there are many others that are new, and some would not have even been possible until quite recently.

Thanks so much for the outstanding work you and the team at the I4J Lab are doing, Stacy – walking the talk and making a difference – it doesn’t get much better than that!

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    Episode 91 - The Innovation4Justice Lab – Creating change through legal education and multidisciplinary collaboration

    45:27

    We often think about legal innovation and legal education as being separate and distinct but, what if they weren’t? What if students, not just law students, could pursue their passion for change in a way that led to more people, in more places, having access to justice? That’s the question that the Innovation4Justice (I4J) Lab asked and is answering today. Our guest for this podcast is Stacy Butler, the Director of the I4J Program. Stacy has a deep history in community advocacy and expanding the reach of civil legal services for under-represented populations. It’s that experience, her passion and drive, that led to the establishment of the I4J Lab and, is evident in all the amazing I4J Lab team members and those with whom they collaborate too. The I4J Lab is a multidisciplinary collaboration between the University of Arizona, the University of Utah, staff, students, the legal ecosystem, many other industries, and communities. It focuses on creating tools that provide empirical data where that’s been missing in policy formation/deployment and, solutions that enhance access to justice through user centred design and implementation. The I4J Lab is producing outcomes that make a difference. It’s also creating frameworks, models and adopting different ways to solve complex problems in a holistic way. Because the work is also scalable, it has practical application for the entire legal system and marketplace. There are elements of this work that are familiar but, there are many others that are new, and some would not have even been possible until quite recently. Thanks so much for the outstanding work you and the team at the I4J Lab are doing, Stacy – walking the talk and making a difference – it doesn’t get much better than that!
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    Episode 90 - Automation Mini Series – Episode 5: They all just look like tools to me – How to choose a solution

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    In this podcast, the fifth episode of seven in CLI’s Digital Literacy Series: Automation Mini Series, Gene Turner, Managing Director of legal automation specialists LawHawk shared his experience working initially as a lawyer and now in his own automation/tech solutions focused consultancy about how to choose the right automation solution for a legal practice. In this session, building on the first four sessions in the series, Gene discussed key considerations including: What you need to do to start and when you need to end your automation journey What to consider when identifying the type of automation solution you need How to leverage solutions you already have available What you need to consider for business continuity and security Identifying users and why it’s important to craft a user friendly solution What the solution should look like - P2P or E2E - and what customisations might be needed too The importance of training and ongoing support What to think about if you need to migrate information Document automation and workflow specifics This mini series brings together a unique collaboration of leading legal automation specialists who address a number of different but related topics in legal automation. You’ll find details about the mini series here.
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    Episode 89 - Automation Mini Series – Episode 4: Building a Business Case for Legal Automation

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    In this podcast, the fourth episode of seven in CLI’s Digital Literacy Series: Automation Mini Series, Evan Wong, CEO and Co-founder, Checkbox and his guest presenter Alex Rosenrauch, Manager, PwC NewLaw discussed building a business case for legal automation. Getting budget for legal technology is notoriously difficult and is often a breaking point in a legal team's quest to improve the way they work and deliver legal services to the business. The key is knowing how to build an effective business case. Topics covered in the session included: how to properly frame and communicate the value of legal automation; how to structure and present a winning business case; and how to handle common objections and pushback to new investments in automation. This mini series brings together a unique collaboration of leading legal automation specialists who address a number of different but related topics in legal automation. You’ll find details about the mini series here. If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, you’ll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free resource hub here.
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    Episode 88 - How to select your innovation project

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    In this podcast, Caryn Sandler, Partner + Chief Knowledge and Innovation Officer at Gilbert + Tobin, shared her significant experience in taking numerous legal innovation projects from conception through to implementation and, everything in between! Topics covered included: Guiding your projects with an innovation pipeline How do ideas enter your innovation pipeline? Managing your innovation pipeline with guardrails to keep you on track; and Prioritising the right projects through your innovation pipeline. If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this session, you’ll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free resource hub here.
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    Episode 87 - From alternative to mainstream legal careers in innovation & legaltech at Addleshaw Goddard (UK)

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    Alternative legal careers in innovation and legaltech – are they still alternative or have they become mainstream? And how, if at all, is the evolution of new and different career opportunities reflecting a permanent change to the business and practice of law? In this podcast, we explored these questions and many more with our guest Kerry Westland, a Partner with Addleshaw Goddard in the UK and the lead for its Innovation and Legaltech function. Addleshaw Goddard have been doing some amazing things in the careers in innovation and legaltech space, not least of which is its recently launched Innovation & Legal Technology Graduate Scheme, we chatted about that too. Topics discussed included: The new BAU in law firms – what it is and what it isn’t The new, different and emerging role of multidisciplinary teams in legal practice The role and career path of Legal Technologists at Addleshaw Goddard How and why the Addleshaw Goddard Innovation & Legal Technology Graduate Scheme is breaking new ground The new war for legal talent – it’s not just about lawyers anymore! How new mindsets are supporting the development of new capabilities and an innovation focussed culture in contemporary law firms How legaltech and innovation continue to reshape the practice of law in the UK Thank you Kerry for an amazing discussion and congrats again on the launch of the Innovation & Legal Technology Graduate Scheme – fabulous!
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    Episode 86 - Women Legalpreneurs SIG Series – How to choose the right tech for your new digital legal business

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    In this podcast, a session in our Women Legalpreneurs Special Interest Group 2021/22 series, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, Centre for Legal Innovation (Australia, New Zealand and Asia- Pacific) facilitated a panel discussion that explored all things tech for digital legal businesses! This super practical and candid session started by exploring if you need tech at all, then moved on to discuss questions you should ask of vendors; how to make the best choices for your law firm or in-house legal department or consultancy; how you should approach tech purchases from identifying the right requirements through to connecting new tech with legacy tech, your systems, your business strategy and, managing the change management piece in all of this too! Terri was joined by a unique panel of legal, tech and knowledge practitioners and gurus from law firms, in-house, tech and legal consultancies: Sylvia Hands, Head of Legal, Medibank Private Ltd Katherine King, Chief Executive Officer/Dazychain Co-Founder, Yarris Technologies Fiona McLay, Principal Lawyer & Consultant, McLay Legal and CLI Legalpreneurs Lab Geeky Guru Nikki Shaver, Co-founder, Legaltech Hub If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this session, you’ll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free resource hub here. Additional Resources Dr Katherine King (Dazychain), The 5 steps to choosing legal tech is available here. Fiona McLay: Reinvent Legal Business Series: Getting Started with Legal Tech Projects is available here Tech Talks: Tech tools that changed my legal world – Session one is available here Tech Talks: Tech tools that changed my legal world – Session two is available here For members of the Legalpreneurs Lab, don’t forget Fiona is also a Geeky Guru and available to consult with you Nikki Shaver, Legal Techy Tuesday Series: Global Developments in Legal Technology with Legaltech Hub is available to Watch Here and Listen Here In-house lawyers might like to connect with the Legal Technology and Innovation Committee of the Association of Corporate Counsel Australia.
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    Episode 85 - ReinventED Legal Business: The Case Studies – Lacuna Legal Providers

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    In this podcast, a session in our ReinventED Legal Business: The Case Studies series, Terri Mottershead, Executive Director, Centre for Legal Innovation (Australia, New Zealand and Asia-Pacific) chatted with Bronwyn Eynon-Lewis and Allison Warburton, Co-founders and Gemma Cawrey, Business and Content Developer from Lacuna Legal Providers. In March 2019, Allison and Bronwyn launched Lacuna to help lawyers outsource business and operational services and allow them to focus on what they do best – delivering legal advice. Lacuna’s services comprise a full suite of essential marketing, business development, management and business administration offerings including growing your client base, executive coaching, guidance for starting and building a law firm, referrals and network development, bids and proposals, and personal and business profiling. Lacuna offers a flexible and transparent subscription model for a fixed fee and on an as needed month to month basis. Lacuna supports lawyers through all seasons of their lives and supports them in maintaining careers, retaining their skills, developing and keeping key client relationships. This all helps to keep their options open to a variety of possibilities for the future. A participant in CLI’s Inaugural Innovation Incubator 2020/21, Lacuna was also a finalist for Innovator of the Year (Firm) at Lawyers Weekly Women in Law Awards in 2020 and a finalist for Innovator of the Year (Company) at the Australian Law Awards in 2020 and 2021. Bronwyn, Allison and Gemma, thanks so much for so candidly sharing your insights and experience – wonderful to see dreams turn into reality through resilience, perseverance and the support and friendship of amazing colleagues! If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this session, you’ll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free resource hub here.
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    Episode 84 - Legal Learning Done Digital – Hotshot

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    Digital learning – sounds exciting, maybe a little scary, but it’s definitely already here and thriving no matter how we feel about it! In this podcast we explored the world of digital legal learning with our guest Ian Nelson. Ian together with Chris Wedgeworth Co-founded Hotshot, a digital learning platform focussed on teaching practical legal and professional skills to legal professionals. Ian has lived and breathed digital learning in the legal ecosystem for more than two decades. He and Chris built Hotshot from the ground up, based on a deep understanding of the legal industry coupled with a passion and love of legal education. It’s this history and approach that has earnt them both well-deserved global reputations for thinking out of the box, applying user centred design to Hotshot’s products, and building collaborative partnerships that provide just in time legal education. Topics we discussed included: What digital learning is and is not (with some help from Wikipedia) How digital learning has become a catalyst, a bridge, and blurred the siloed approach (academic, practical and ongoing) to legal learning The new and emerging role of digital learning from knowledge and skill transfer to changing mindsets and supporting business agility, collaboration and a deepening of internal and client relationships Where digital learning is happening and how it’s rolling out in law schools, law firms and legaltech fuelled platforms What to expect from and with digital legal learning in the next few years Ian, thanks so much for leading the way and doing legal learning differently, the digital way – we love your work, it’s amazing!
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    Episode 83 - Taking on demand legal learning to a whole new stratosphere – Skillburst Interactive!

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    Legal education is being redefined in just about every place it’s happening and its moving VERY fast in the on demand space. The catalysts are many and varied – they range from wanting legal education like we want everything else – on our phone, anytime and anywhere – to new, innovative, and more convenient ways for clients to comply, and report on their compliance with, regulation based education mandates. It’s this piece – legal education providers working, collaborating and delivering differently in the on demand space – that we focus on in this podcast with our guest Steve Gluckman, CEO and Founder of Skillburst Interactive. Steve’s deep history in legal education and his ground breaking work in the on demand learning space provided a rich history, reality check, case studies and the opportunity to discuss where on demand learning might go next in the legal industry. Topics we discussed included: What on demand learning is (and isn’t) How the on demand learning space has changed…a lot! How the pandemic has impacted and accelerated on demand learning Where the legal industry is placed compared with other industries in this space How the role of on demand learning is being reimagined inside and outside law firms How new ways to learn have turned into new revenue streams for law firms The role of law firms as alternative legal education providers How on demand learning is being used in education related industry compliance How this space will continue to change over the next few years Steve, thanks so much for continuing to redefine and shape the future of on demand learning – amazing!
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    Episode 82 - Automation Mini Series – Episode 3: What should I automate? How to choose the right project.

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    In this podcast, the third episode of seven in CLI’s Digital Literacy Series: Automation Mini Series, Tom Dreyfus, CEO and Co-founder from Josef asked and, together with his guests answered, the question for legal practitioners  – “What should I automate?” Tom was joined by guests Anna Golovsky, Executive Manager, Legal and Company Secretariat Operations from IAG and Gary Adler, Chief Digital Officer from MinterEllison - legal operations and digital gurus - who shared their experience, provided practical tips and case studies from their automation journeys from in-house legal departments and law firms. Topics covered in the session included: identifying automation opportunities in your day-to-day work process mapping to isolate sticking points as you move forward analysing successful case studies for experience sharing and inspiration as you progress (analogous inspiration) the importance of identifying and addressing definitions, team, scope, transparency, challenges and obstacles emerging areas of legal automation: automated guidance or legal advice; document automation; workflow & process automation; intake & triage tools; and education & inspiration how to get everyone (inside and outside your legal business) involved, energised and focussed on automation (and more broadly, innovation) This mini series brings together a unique collaboration of leading legal automation specialists who will address a number of different but related topics in legal automation. You’ll find details about the mini series and upcoming episodes here. If you would prefer to watch rather than listen to this episode, you’ll find the video in our CLI-Collaborate (CLIC) free resource hub here.

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