All’s Fair… or Is It? Real-Life Top Divorce Attorneys Break Down Hulu’s All-Female Divorce Firm Drama on Divorce & Beyond #395

We’re talking all about Hulu’s new hit All’s Fair and its glossy world of powerhouse, all-female divorce attorneys. The show is everywhere right now, but how much of it reflects what really happens in high-stakes family law? Susan Guthrie is joined by two of the most trusted experts in the field, Beth F. McCormack and Kimberly A. Cook, Esq., to break down what the series gets right, where it leans into pure Hollywood, and what it leaves out entirely about the real work of guiding families through divorce. If you’ve been wondering whether All’s Fair captures the truth or just the drama, this episode gives you the inside view. What You’ll Discover in This Episode Where All’s Fair nails the reality of female attorneys breaking away to build something better What the show gets wrong about divorce law and why those myths can mislead real clients How strategy and preparation matter far more than the aggressive “never settle” persona “Adding a zero” isn’t how settlements actually work Why representation in legal dramas matters and how this show misses key opportunities to get it right More About Our Special Guests:  Kimberly A. Cook, Esq. Kimberly A. Cook is a Partner with Schiller DuCanto & Fleck, LLP, one of the nation’s premier divorce and family law firms. Known for her ability to both fiercely advocate and thoughtfully problem-solve, Kimberly represents C-suite executives, professional athletes, entertainers, and other high-profile clients in complex family law matters. Before joining Schiller, Kimberly founded Dovetail Conflict Resolution, LLC, where she focused exclusively on divorce and family mediation, helping families identify creative solutions and reach lasting agreements. She also hosts the Grown Girl Divorce podcast, where she empowers listeners to navigate family transitions with clarity and confidence. Kimberly shares her knowledge as an adjunct law professor, mentor, and frequent speaker, and has been featured in Crain’s Chicago, Black Enterprise, Thrive Global, and Business Insider. She has been consistently recognized among the Best Lawyers in America and Super Lawyers for her excellence and leadership in the field. Contact Kimberly: growngirldivorce.com or https://sdflaw.com   Beth F. McCormack Beth F. McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net-worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth: beermannlaw.com   ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury SPECIAL OFFER FROM YUMIYU! YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice.  Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Co-parenting with someone who parents in a totally different way can feel overwhelming, especially when you’re trying to protect your kids and you don’t have control over what happens in the other home. Susan Guthrie welcomes back Laila Aitken Ali, co-founder of Split FYI and creator of the Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass, to talk about what you can control and how to stay steady when things get tough. Laila explains why the goal isn’t trying to make your kids “happy” all the time but helping them build real resilience. And even if you are the only calm, grounded parent in the mix, that is more powerful than you think. As Laila puts it, your peace is your child’s safety plan. You’ll hear simple scripts, mindset shifts, and nervous-system-friendly ways to stay anchored so you can support your kids without getting pulled into chaos, stress, or power struggles. What You’ll Discover in This Episode You can’t control the other parent, but you can control the emotional world your kids experience in your home How practicing DEEP allows you to take a pause and avoid being pulled into chaos The best way to protect your kids is to protect your own nervous system Shadow work matters. Notice stories you tell yourself, question old beliefs, and lead from your empowered self More About Our Special Guest Laila Aitken Ali: Laila Aitken Ali, The Split Coach, is a Certified Divorce Coach®, Accredited Mediator, and Co-Founder of Split.fyi, a platform supporting people through divorce, co-parenting, and life transitions. After navigating her own divorce while pregnant, Laila committed to helping others move through separation with clarity, strategy, and confidence. She specializes in guiding parents to break old patterns and build healthier dynamics post-divorce. Laila also teaches co-parenting strategy at the Certified Divorce Coach (CDC) program, equipping new coaches with practical tools. Website and Links: SplitFYI.com Raising Resilient Kids Through Divorce Masterclass and other events: https://splitfyi.com/events/ - D&B Listeners, use code SPLIT10 for a special listener discount  TheSplitCoach.com Why You Need to Stop Calling Your Ex a Narcissist with Laila Aitken, Founder of Split.fyi on Divorce & Beyond Social Media: http://instagram.com/thesplitcoach http://instagram.com/splitfyi https://www.linkedin.com/in/lailaaitken/ ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyondpod Meet Our Host Susan E. Guthrie®, Esq. is one of the nation’s leading family law and mediation experts, with more than 35 years of experience helping individuals and families navigate divorce and conflict with clarity and compassion. She is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution, a best-selling author, and a sought-after speaker, trainer, and practice-building consultant. Susan recently appeared as the featured expert on The Oprah Podcast, where she shared her insights on gray divorce and the changing landscape of relationships. Her expertise has also been featured in The Wall Street Journal, Forbes, The Washington Post, NewsNation, and NBC’s Chicago Today, among many others. As the creator and host of the award-winning Divorce & Beyond® Podcast, ranked in the top 1% of all podcasts worldwide with more than 3.4 million downloads, Susan brings together top experts and powerful personal stories to help listeners move through divorce and beyond with confidence, insight, and hope. Learn more about Susan and her work at susaneguthrie.com. Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury ***************************************************************************** Opportunities for Expert Guests and Fellow Podcasters   Partner with Divorce & Beyond Whether you're a podcaster looking to expand your reach or an expert ready to share your insights, Divorce & Beyond offers the perfect platform to amplify your voice.  Find out more here: https://divorceandbeyondpod.com/guest-opportunities ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Susan Guthrie welcomes back Tracy Malone, a leading expert on narcissistic abuse and family estrangement, for a raw and eye-opening conversation about one of the most painful aftermaths of toxic relationships: being cut off from your own child (aka estrangement). When estrangement happens, it can feel like your world has been shattered overnight. Tracy, founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com and author of Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, helps unpack how manipulation, gaslighting, and control tactics can fracture families and rewrite history in devastating ways.  Together, Susan and Tracy explore how these dynamics play out and, most importantly, what parents can take to begin healing. Tracy’s compassionate wisdom, drawn from both personal experience and years of coaching, offers validation, hope, and strategies to help listeners find peace and strength through the storm. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How estrangement differs from alienation and why it’s on the rise The narcissistic playbook and how lies and control can turn loved ones against you The importance of emotional regulation when you can’t control others’ choices How awareness shifts everything and helps you rebuild your boundaries Why it’s essential to release self-blame and focus on your own healing More About Our Special Guest, Tracy Malone:  Tracy A. Malone is a coach, author, and the founder of NarcissistAbuseSupport.com, a global resource helping victims in more than 145 countries reclaim their lives after emotional abuse. She’s also a surTHRIVER herself, and her wisdom comes not just from research and coaching, but from lived experience. Her latest book, Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family, exposes the gaslighting, smearing, and rewriting of history that can steal your adult child and devastate entire families. Website and Book: Estranged By Lies: How Narcissistic Partners Use Power & Control To Destroy Your Family https://a.co/d/fSmx1Hm https://narcissistabusesupport.com/ Social Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFtt3fhMMCBKGRMGyN2D2GQ https://www.instagram.com/tracyamalone/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/188681268196044/ ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPECIAL OFFER FROM BLUE MERCURY! Treat yourself to luxury skincare, makeup, and fragrance favorites from Blue Mercury, your destination for beauty and self-care. Divorce & Beyond listeners receive 15% off their first order when they use the special link in the show notes. Because you deserve to look and feel your best,  inside and out. You must use this link to receive the 15% off on your first Blue Mercury order: https://divorcebeyond.com/Blue-Mercury ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Susan Guthrie welcomes Patrick Kilbane, J.D., CDFA®, partner at Ullman Wealth Partners and Director of the Divorce Advisory Group, to talk about one of the most overlooked but critical phases of divorce: what happens to your finances after the papers are signed. Instead of stopping at the settlement, Patrick shows you how to step into your financial “2.0” with confidence. We talk about creating clarity around your monthly cashflow, setting up systems to cover everyday expenses, and simplifying your accounts so they’re easy to manage. Patrick also shares how to plan ahead during the divorce, not just after, so you negotiate with your future in mind. You’ll hear practical strategies for rebuilding credit, organizing your retirement and investment accounts, making smart housing decisions, and avoiding costly mistakes that can derail your long-term security.  Patrick’s decades of experience as both an attorney and Certified Divorce Financial Analyst make this a must-listen for anyone ready to move beyond survival mode and build a strong, strategic financial foundation for the next chapter of life. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How to recognize when it’s time to shift from divorce survival to planning your independent future Simple steps to clarify monthly cashflow and set up systems to cover bills and savings Why involving a financial advisor before settlement helps you plan smarter and avoid gaps How strategic planning beyond the settlement sets you up for lasting stability and confidence More About Our Special Guest, Patrick Kilbane, J.D., CDFA®:  Pat is a Partner at the firm and serves as both a Wealth Advisor and General Counsel. He brings over a decade of experience helping clients coordinate and implement comprehensive wealth management strategies. In his legal role, he manages all legal matters for the firm and assists clients with navigating their own legal questions by connecting them to trusted resources. Pat also leads our Divorce Advisory Group, where he supports high-net-worth clients before, during, and after the divorce process. Drawing on his extensive background in family law and his Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® (CDFA®) designation, Pat helps clients make informed, confident financial decisions at every stage of marital dissolution. Before joining our firm, Pat built a successful legal career in matrimonial and family law, serving as a Shareholder at two respected statewide firms—GrayRobinson, P.A. and Rogers Towers, P.A.—in Jacksonville. Pat is deeply involved in the Jacksonville community and has served on numerous civic and professional boards. He has received several gubernatorial appointments, including to the Jacksonville Aviation Authority—where he served as Chairman from 2017–2018 and again from 2020–2021—and to the 4th Judicial Circuit Judicial Nominating Commission, where he served as Chairman from 2017–2019. Most recently, he was appointed by Governor Ron DeSantis to the Jacksonville Port Authority in 2024 and to the Florida Elections Commission in 2025. His leadership extends to the Jacksonville Bar Association, where he served on the Board of Governors and as President of its Young Lawyers Section. He is a graduate of Leadership Florida (Class XXXV) and currently serves as President of the Jacksonville Lawyers Chapter of the Federalist Society. Pat previously served as President of the Board of Directors of the Notre Dame Alumni Club of Greater Jacksonville and as a member of the Foundation Board for St. Vincent’s Hospital. In 2017, he was appointed by Bishop Felipe Estévez to the Savings and Loan Board for the Diocese of St. Augustine. In 2020, he was elected to the Board of Trustees for Adrian College, which will honor him as its 2025 Distinguished Alumnus. Pat earned his J.D. from the University of Notre Dame and holds a B.B.A. from Adrian College, where he graduated summa cum laude. He is a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® and co-author of Move Forward Confidently: A Woman's Guide to Navigating the High-Net-Worth Divorce. Website and Book http://ullmannwealthpartners.com Pat’s book: Move Forward Confidently: A Woman's Guide to Navigating the High-Net-Worth Divorce. ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Susan Guthrie welcomes back three powerhouse professionals to Divorce & Beyond for part two of a very special series that turns the billion-dollar divorce playbook into practical strategies you can use in your own divorce, no matter your net worth. Together, Michelle Smith, Beth McCormack, and Jenny Stevens make up what Susan calls the Billion Dollar Dream Team. Between them, they bring decades of experience guiding clients through some of the most complex, high-stakes divorces in the country. From untangling billion-dollar assets to protecting children’s well-being to helping clients stay grounded in the storm, this team delivers legal, financial, and emotional strategies that can benefit anyone facing divorce. In part one, we pulled back the curtain on what divorce looks like when billions of dollars are at stake: the unique challenges, the strategies, and the inside perspective that only comes from decades of experience handling ultra-high-net-worth cases. The lessons from those cases aren’t just for billionaires.  This week, in part two, we’re taking those big-dollar insights and showing you how they apply to your divorce,  no matter your net worth or no matter where you are in the process. What You’ll Discover in This Episode How to trust your gut when choosing the professionals on your dream team Why knowing the true cost of your life is essential for smart financial decisions The power of defining priorities and fears early to shape your legal strategy Why emotional healing often takes longer than the legal process and how to honor that timeline Meet the Billion Dollar Dream Team Michelle Smith Michelle Smith is one of the nation’s most sought-after divorce financial specialists, holding the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® designation. She is the founder of Wife2CFO, a platform created to empower women to understand and manage their wealth with confidence. Michelle is also the co-author of Divorce & Your Finances and a regular contributor to national financial media. With more than three decades of experience advising ultra high net worth families, she brings unmatched expertise in investment strategy, wealth transfer, and philanthropic planning — and a unique ability to simplify even the most complex financial landscapes. Contact Michelle:  https://savantwealth.com Michelle's Divorce Journey Self-Discovery Questionnaire Beth F. McCormack Beth McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney, known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth is equally at home in the courtroom, in mediation, and in collaborative law, always centering her practice on compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals and writes a monthly column for the Chicago Daily Law Bulletin. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth:  https://beermannlaw.com Jenny Stevens Jenny Stevens is a counselor, divorce coach, and adolescent coach who has built her career around helping people navigate life’s toughest transitions. With a master’s degree in professional counseling and extensive mediation training, Jenny brings both clinical expertise and a no-nonsense, approachable style to her coaching. She has lived through her own share of profound life changes — from loss to illness to divorce — and uses that experience to guide clients with empathy, honesty, and practical strategies. Jenny helps individuals and families regulate emotions, build resilience, and create the foundations for a life they love. Her work emphasizes emotional regulation, self-care, and values-based co-parenting, making her an invaluable support for anyone facing the upheaval of divorce. Contact Jenny: https://jennystevenscoach.com ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Susan Guthrie welcomes three powerhouse professionals to Divorce & Beyond for a very special two-part series that pulls back the curtain on ultra high net worth divorces and reveals strategies that can help anyone navigating divorce. Together, Michelle Smith, Beth McCormack, and Jenny Stevens make up what Susan calls the Billion Dollar Dream Team. Between them, they bring decades of experience guiding clients through some of the most complex, high-stakes divorces in the country. From untangling billion-dollar assets to protecting children’s well-being to helping clients stay grounded in the storm, this team delivers legal, financial, and emotional strategies that can benefit anyone facing divorce, no matter your net worth. This conversation highlights not only the extraordinary circumstances of billion-dollar cases but also the universal truths: divorce is emotionally scrambling, requires strong communication, and benefits enormously from a cohesive team approach. What You’ll Discover in This Episode The unique legal complexities of managing billion-dollar assets, foundations, and family offices. The importance of asking the right financial questions without escalating conflict How privacy, reputation management, and creative solutions play a critical role in high-stakes cases What’s Next This is just part one. Next week, Michelle, Beth, and Jenny return to translate the billion-dollar lessons into practical, actionable strategies for your own divorce journey, whether you’re just beginning, in the thick of it, or finding your new Beyond. Get Michelle's FREE divorce financial resource downloads mentioned in the episodes. Meet the Billion Dollar Dream Team Michelle Smith Michelle Smith is one of the nation’s most sought-after divorce financial specialists, holding the Certified Divorce Financial Analyst® designation. She is the founder of Wife2CFO, a platform created to empower women to understand and manage their wealth with confidence. Michelle is also the co-author of Divorce & Your Finances and a regular contributor to national financial media. With more than three decades of experience advising ultra high net worth families, she brings unmatched expertise in investment strategy, wealth transfer, and philanthropic planning — and a unique ability to simplify even the most complex financial landscapes. Contact Michelle:  https://savantwealth.com Beth F. McCormack Beth McCormack is a highly respected family law attorney, known for her skill in handling the most complex and sensitive divorce and parenting matters. Based in Chicago, Beth’s practice includes guiding her clients whether they are litigating, mediating or collaborative law, all with compassion and empathy. She has been consistently recognized as a Best Lawyer, Super Lawyer, and Leading Lawyer, including being named one of the Top 50 Women Super Lawyers. In addition to her thriving practice, Beth mentors the next generation of family law professionals. She is especially known for her advocacy on behalf of children and her ability to navigate high-profile, high-net worth divorces with discretion and care. Contact Beth:  https://beermannlaw.com Jenny Stevens Jenny Stevens is a counselor, divorce coach, and adolescent coach who has built her career around helping people navigate life’s toughest transitions. With a master’s degree in professional counseling and extensive mediation training, Jenny brings both clinical expertise and a no-nonsense, approachable style to her coaching. She has lived through her own share of profound life changes — from loss to illness to divorce — and uses that experience to guide clients with empathy, honesty, and practical strategies. Jenny helps individuals and families regulate emotions, build resilience, and create the foundations for a life they love. Her work emphasizes emotional regulation, self-care, and values-based co-parenting, making her an invaluable support for anyone facing the upheaval of divorce. Contact Jenny: https://jennystevenscoach.com ===================== Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Susan Guthrie welcomes Valerie Jones, author of The Selfish Year, to share a radically different perspective on what it means to put yourself first after divorce. Valerie’s story of going from broke, divorced, stay-at-home mom to thriving six-figure entrepreneur began with one powerful decision: to be selfish. In this conversation, she redefines selfishness as being “full of self” and shows how embracing it can become the gateway to healing, clarity, and abundance. As this episode highlights, “selfish” is a word most women have been conditioned to fear. Yet, as Valerie explains, choosing yourself isn’t only allowed: it’s essential. Her journey and strategies offer inspiration and practical steps for anyone navigating divorce or life transitions. What You’ll Discover in This Episode Why selfish is not arrogance but becoming “full of self” instead of self-less How small, daily acts of selfishness create transformation The importance of saying no, setting boundaries, and breaking free from people-pleasing patterns Valerie’s “selfish strategies” that help you reconnect with your intuition, reclaim your power, and act as if you love yourself More About Our Special Guest, Valerie Jones:   Valerie Jones is the author of The Selfish Year (remeased September 3, 2025), host of The Selfish Woman podcast, and founder of The Selfish Woman movement, a global collective of women rising into their power and claiming the life they deserve. A thought leader in midlife reinvention and the sacred rebellion of women daring to put themselves first, Valerie is redefining what it means to be selfish. Her work helps women ditch the good girl conditioning, stop performing for approval, and step unapologetically into desire, self-trust, and overflow. Through her bold storytelling, viral social media presence, and fast-growing global community, she is leading a new era for women who are ready to stop surviving and start shining — without apology. Website and Book: http://valeriejones.ca The Selfish Year: https://a.co/d/i8ANT8W Social Media:  http://instagram.com/thevaleriejones https://www.tiktok.com/@valeriejones11 Make the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Immediate Past Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

Susan Guthrie welcomes Jessica Frew back to Divorce and Beyond for a powerful conversation about releasing the “shoulds” that may box you in after divorce and reclaiming your decision-making power. Jessica is a wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, founder of The Bold Logic, and author of the upcoming book Shove the Shoulds: Become a Decision-Making Badass to Live the Bold Life You Deserve. If you’ve ever felt weighed down by guilt, judgment, or that pesky inner voice telling you what you “should” be doing, this episode will help you break free. Plus, one lucky listener will win a free copy of Jessica’s new book, listen through to the end for details! Stop living a life of “shoulds” and start today. Jessica shows you how to shove them right out the door and step confidently into your next chapter after divorce.  What You’ll Discover in This Episode: How “shoulds” are often just judgment in disguise and why recognizing them is the first step to freedom The role conditioning and past relationships play in breaking down self-trust Why true post-divorce freedom comes from reclaiming your decision-making power Jessica’s Be, Be, Be formula: Be Gentle, Be Humble, Be Bold, and how it can transform your life Practical ways to start rebuilding trust in yourself, one small decision at a time More About Our Special Guest, Jessica Frew:  Jessica Frew is a wife, ex-wife, mom, stepmom, and BOLD action taker. She’s the founder of The BOLD Logic, a company devoted to helping women understand their decision making patterns to take back their voice. Jessica teaches women how to trust themselves by owning their decision-making power so they can live boldly, love honestly, and stop abandoning themselves to keep the peace. Websites: Enter to win a FREE copy of Jessica’s brand new book “Shove Your Shoulds: Become a Decision-Making Badass to Live the BOLD Life You Deserve”, just for listeners of the Divorce & Beyond Podcast with Susan Guthrie. https://shoveyourshoulds.com/enter Jessica’s new book, "Shove Your Shoulds": https://shoveyourshoulds.com Social Media:  http://instagram.com/heyjessicafrew http://www.facebook.com/heyjessicafrew Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 30 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.

This week on Divorce & Beyond, we're doing something a little different, and something truly special. We’re honored to share the premiere episode of Season 4 of the Intentional Divorce Insights podcast, hosted by Certified Divorce Financial Analyst and Accredited Financial Counselor, Leah Hadley. If you caught Monday’s episode with Leah on Divorce & Beyond®, you already know what a valuable and grounded voice she brings to the complex financial realities of divorce today. In this solo episode, Leah takes us deeper, sharing the personal story and values that inspire her work and fuel her mission to support those navigating divorce with clarity, confidence, and compassion. You’ll hear: How Leah’s mother shaped her approach to money, reinvention, and resilience The five pillars of Leah’s Intentional Money Method A powerful reminder that it’s never too late to grow, shift paths, or start fresh The importance of building financial freedom intentionally, especially in times of transition Whether you’re facing divorce, considering a new direction in life, or simply looking to feel more empowered around your finances, this episode offers wisdom, warmth, and a clear next step.  Be sure to listen to our Monday conversation with Leah if you haven’t already, where we dig into what recent economic shifts mean for your divorce strategy in 2025 and beyond.  Here’s the link: https://divorcebeyond.com/Leah-Hadley   And if you’re over 50 and contemplating divorce, don’t miss Leah’s free upcoming webinar: Divorce After 50: Protecting Your Retirement and Securing Your Future. Details and Registration link here: https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/divorce-after-50   More About Leah Hadley: Leah is the founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions and Intentional Wealth Partners. She’s a nationally recognized financial expert, author, speaker, and host of Intentional Divorce Insights. With a background in both education and finance, Leah is passionate about helping people make thoughtful, values-aligned financial decisions, especially during life’s most challenging transitions. 🔗 Learn more and connect with Leah at https://www.greatlakesdfs.com 🎧 Subscribe to Intentional Divorce Insights wherever you get your podcasts or click here: https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/podcasts/intentional-divorce-insights

Susan Guthrie welcomes accredited financial counselor and CDFA® Leah Hadley to explore the changing financial landscape of divorce in today’s unpredictable economy. From rising healthcare costs to a volatile housing market and shifting tax laws, the economic realities of 2025 are reshaping how couples need to approach divorce settlements. Leah shares how thoughtful financial planning, strategic modeling, and expert guidance can help protect your long-term stability, especially if you're divorcing later in life. If you’re navigating divorce in this climate, this episode offers timely, essential insights to help you negotiate smarter and move forward with confidence. You'll hear: The truth about healthcare costs and how subsidy cuts may affect you How to plan for (and afford) health insurance post-divorce How housing market trends are shifting common divorce strategies Tips for reducing stress and avoiding costly financial mistakes The top mistake people divorcing after 50 make and how to avoid it More About Our Special Guest, Leah Hadley, AFC®, CDFA®, MAFF® As the Founder of Intentional Divorce Solutions (formerly known as Great Lakes Divorce Financial Solutions) and Intentional Wealth Partners. Leah Hadley is committed to guiding clients to financial independence through thoughtful and strategic planning. An influential voice in the financial community, Leah is a sought-after speaker and expert in overcoming financial setbacks and navigating the financial complexities of divorce. She's a frequent guest on podcasts and has contributed her insights to numerous books and online platforms. Leah is also the author of "When It's Just Not Working: A Practical Divorce Guide for Stay-At-Home Moms." At the heart of her practice, Leah finds genuine satisfaction in empowering her clients to achieve their most heartfelt financial goals.  In her leisure time, she enjoys reading, hiking, and spending quality time with her husband, three children, and three dogs.   Websites: Intentional Divorce Insights Podcast https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/podcasts/intentional-divorce-insights FREE WEBINAR: If you’re over 50 and contemplating divorce, don’t miss Leah’s free upcoming webinar: Divorce After 50: Protecting Your Retirement and Securing Your Future. https://www.greatlakesdfs.com/divorce-after-50   https://www.greatlakesdfs.com https://www.watchherthrive.co Social Media:  http://instagram.com/watchherthrive https://www.linkedin.com/in/leahhadley Also referenced in this episode: Divorcing in 2025: The High Cost of Uncertainty on Divorce Take the Most of Your Listening Experience: If this episode resonates with you, be sure to: Subscribe to Divorce & Beyond so you never miss an episode. Share this episode with friends or loved ones who need hope and healing. Leave a 5-star review to help us reach even more listeners. Follow Us Online: Divorce & Beyond:  https://divorceandbeyondpod.com, IG: @divorceandbeyond MEET OUR CREATOR AND HOST: SUSAN GUTHRIE®, ESQ., the creator and host of The Divorce and Beyond® Podcast, has been nationally recognized as one of the top family law and divorce mediation attorneys in the country for more than 35 years.  Susan is the Chair of the American Bar Association Section of Dispute Resolution and is a sought-after keynote speaker, business and practice consultant, coach and trainer. You can find out more about Susan and her services here: https://susaneguthrie.com Divorce & Beyond is a Top 1% Overall and Top 100 Self-Help podcast designed to help you with all you need to know to navigate your divorce journey and most importantly, to thrive in your beautiful beyond!   ***************************************************************************** SPONSOR SPOTLIGHT: HELLO FRESH HelloFresh is now a proud sponsor of Divorce & Beyond! If you’ve been thinking about cutting back on grocery bills, avoiding food waste, or just getting dinner on the table without the stress — this is your moment, because right now, HelloFresh is offering one free item in every box — for life! That’s right — every single box you order includes a free item, forever. And just to give you a taste of what that looks like... I got pineapple upside-down cakes in my first order! I originally discovered HelloFresh during the pandemic and fell in love with learning new recipes and expanding our dinner routine. I let it go for a while — hey, I live in Chicago with world-class restaurants on every corner — but with today’s rising costs, HelloFresh is back on my table, and I’m so glad it is. So if you’re ready to save time, money, and dinner — go to divorceandbeyond.com/hellofresh and sign up today to grab that free item for life. ***************** YUMIYU Jewelry YUMIYU Jewelry is Susan’s favorite source for meaningful, handcrafted jewelry designed to empower women and celebrate individuality. Each piece is made with care, using high-quality materials like real gold and vermeil, and is water-resistant, non-tarnish, and hypoallergenic. During difficult times, like divorce, wearing a symbol of hope or protection—such as a hamsa or an evil eye—can be a comforting reminder to keep the faith and stay strong. As a special gift to my listeners, YUMIYU Jewelry is offering 20% off your purchase! Use the code "BEYOND" at checkout to claim your discount. Explore their stunning collection at yumiyujewelry.com and find your perfect piece today! Link: https://divorcebeyond.com/YUMIYU  Code: “BEYOND” for 20% off! ***************************************************************************** SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE! If you would like to sponsor the show and reach our large community of those going through and healing from divorce, please reach out to us at  [email protected] for pricing and details!!! ***************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER:  THE COMMENTARY AND OPINIONS AVAILABLE ON THIS PODCAST ARE FOR INFORMATIONAL AND ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY AND NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING LEGAL ADVICE.  YOU SHOULD CONTACT AN ATTORNEY IN YOUR STATE TO OBTAIN LEGAL ADVICE WITH RESPECT TO ANY PARTICULAR ISSUE OR PROBLEM.