The 4th Wave in Therapy

From Depression to Discovery: The Story Behind Timelight In this episode of The Fourth Wave in Therapy, Peta interviewed Bryan Hubbard about his therapeutic method Timelight, which he developed after overcoming chronic depression. Bryan shared his personal journey, including early childhood trauma and a decade-long struggle with depression, and explained how this led him to explore the energetic and spiritual dimensions of trauma. He described Timelight as a process that addresses the energetic release at the point of trauma, rather than just its manifestations like depression or anxiety. Bryan discussed the concept of time as an energy created by trauma, and how this shifts the understanding of identity and healing. He also outlined the "three selves" model of the psyche, which includes the present self, past selves (psychological, narrative, and knowledge), and the potential center. The conversation touched on the ACEs study, the impact of trauma on health, and the potential for deeper healing by working at the energetic level. Bryan encouraged therapists to consider Timelight as a complementary approach to deepen their trauma work, and mentioned his books and website for further learning.

This interview with Lynne McTaggart explored her pioneering research on quantum energy fields and intention-based healing. McTaggart explained her concept of "The Field" - a quantum energy field where subatomic particles exchange information and energy, demonstrating how this field can be harnessed for healing through group intention experiments. She detailed her work conducting 42 experiments, including studies showing significant results in plant growth and reductions in violence in war-torn areas, with 38 experiments showing positive effects. Lynne discussed her "Power of Eight" methodology, where small groups of 6-12 people focus intention on specific outcomes, sharing examples of remarkable healings including cases of blindness and genetic liver disease. The conversation also covered her upcoming course "Think Yourself Young" which focuses on cellular rejuvenation through mental processes and community engagement, challenging cultural attitudes toward aging, particularly for women. https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/lynne-mctaggart 

This episode of "Fourth Wave in Therapy" featured an interview with Yves Wauthier-Freymann, creator of the Self-Emotional Balancing method, discussing his journey from personal trauma to developing an integrated approach to treating complex trauma and attachment disorders. Yves shares his background in psychotherapy and energy psychology, including training with various modalities like EFT, REMAP, and Internal Family Systems, leading him to develop a comprehensive approach that combines somatic stimulation, primitive reflex integration, and compassion-based techniques. He explained how his method addresses both the physical body memories and the mental control mechanisms that can block healing in traditional talk therapy, emphasising the importance of heart connection and self-compassion in repairing attachment disorders. The conversation highlights Yves’ belief that effective trauma treatment requires practitioners to understand multiple modalities and adapt them systematically to individual needs, with a focus on body-mind integration and the role of love and compassion in healing.

In this episode, Peta interviewed Dr. Lori Hops, a licensed psychologist based in California, about her work on division consciousness versus unity consciousness. Dr. Hops explained division consciousness as a toxic form of separation that leads to tearing down rather than building, using the analogy of oxen quarreling and leaving themselves vulnerable to attack. She described unity consciousness as a collaborative approach that brings the best out in others while acknowledging and integrating both positive and negative aspects. The conversation explored how division consciousness manifests through fear of lack, fatigue, and feelings of isolation, and Dr. Hopps emphasized the importance of energy-based and mind-body approaches alongside traditional psychology to address these deeper issues. She shared her personal journey discovering energy psychology techniques like Reiki and EFT, which led her to develop practical tools for helping clients shift from division to unity consciousness.

This podcast episode featured Dr. Anna Yusim, a board-certified psychiatrist and lecturer at Yale Medical School, discussing the integration of spirituality into mental health treatment. Dr. Anna shared her personal journey from traditional medical training to embracing spiritual principles, including experiences with predictive dreams and psychic phenomena that led her to explore alternative healing approaches. She explained how spirituality can enhance mental health through concepts like spiritual health, which involves resilience and emotional maturity in facing life challenges. The discussion covered practical ways therapists can incorporate spiritual elements into treatment, including taking spiritual histories from patients and exploring various spiritual practices. Dr. Anna emphasized that younger generations are driving a paradigm shift in medicine toward more holistic approaches, and she expressed hope for reducing suffering and expanding joy through better integration of spiritual practices in mental health care.

This episode of "The Fourth Wave in Therapy" featured a conversation between Peta and Dr. Amy Apigian, a double board-certified physician in preventative and addiction medicine and leading voice in trauma biology. Dr. Apigian shared how her personal experience with grief and chronic fatigue syndrome in 2014 led her to discover the connection between trauma and physical health, prompting her to develop a body-based approach to healing trauma. She explained her three-energy levels theory (calm and alive, high energy, and low energy) and how the nervous system shifts between these states in response to perceived danger, using the metaphor of a turtle retreating into its shell during overwhelming situations. Dr. Apigian discussed the importance of allowing time for physiological recovery and challenged the cultural emphasis on resilience, defining true strength as the ability to feel and process emotions rather than pushing through difficulties. She outlined her approach of "precision nervous system healing" which integrates mind, body, and biology assessment to create personalized healing plans, and expressed frustration with the medical field's slow adoption of trauma-informed care despite early research on adverse childhood experiences.

This podcast episode featured Dr. Gabrielle Rutten, the appointed successor to Gary Craig, discussing the evolution of EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) and the introduction of Optimal EFT. Gabrielle shared her journey from medical doctor to EFT practitioner, explaining how Gary Craig originally developed both EFT tapping and EFT meditation (now called Optimal EFT) with a spiritual foundation that was later simplified for wider acceptance. She clarified that EFT techniques properly refers to the combination of both EFT tapping and EFT meditation forms, emphasizing that both approaches are necessary for comprehensive EFT practice. Gabrielle discussed how Optimal EFT involves connecting with an "unseen therapist" for spiritual guidance while maintaining the technical aspects of stress pattern resolution, and she expressed her vision for unity within the EFT community to advance the practice professionally and personally.

In this episode, Peta and Denise dig into why so many women in the helping professions struggle to charge for their work. Denise traces these money blocks back to deep-seated beliefs about the value of helping others, rooted in the historical roles women have played as caregivers and "wise women." Peta adds that this isn't just a mindset issue—it's also a training gap, noting that even academic programs preparing people for helping professions rarely teach business skills or financial management. The conversation moves into practical territory, with Denise sharing personal experiences and strategies for building discernment and self-awareness around money, plus tips for setting boundaries around pricing. Throughout, both hosts emphasize the need for more open, judgment-free conversations about finances—especially for women navigating guilt around getting paid for meaningful work.

This podcast episode featured Dr. Alice Lee, a holistic and integrative psychiatrist practicing in Stamford, Connecticut, discussing her journey into energy psychology and medicine. Dr. Lee explained how she first encountered Thought Field Therapy (TFT) in 2003 through Mark Botnick, which led her to develop criteria-based energy testing techniques that go beyond traditional muscle testing. She described how energy testing can provide real-time feedback about patient responses to interventions, including the impact of psychiatric medication withdrawal on digestion and nutrient absorption. Dr. Lee shared her experience helping patients safely withdraw from psychiatric medications using integrated approaches combining energy medicine, functional medicine, and energy testing. The conversation explored how energy testing could potentially enhance other energy psychology modalities like EFT by providing objective assessment tools beyond subjective distress scales. Dr. Lee expressed hope for the future of holistic psychiatry, including destigmatizing mental illness and moving beyond symptom-based labeling toward addressing underlying causes of mental health issues.

Peta interviewed Suzanne Zacharia, a complementary therapist and EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) trainer, about her journey into EFT and her professional work. Suzanne shared how she discovered EFT after a serious illness (COPD) at university led her to explore alternative therapies, starting with hypnotherapy before finding EFT more effective. She discussed her personal transformation, including running her first half marathon in 2011, and how EFT helped her address both physical symptoms and trauma, including medical trauma from undiagnosed conditions. Suzanne also mentioned her work as founder of Energy Healers Organization and director of Energy Practitioners Association, where she is helping to develop formal EFT qualifications both in the UK and South Africa. Suzanne explained how EFT became a recognized occupational qualification in South Africa, requiring 60 hours of personal practice before practitioners can work with clients, and discussed her current efforts to establish similar qualifications in the UK through collaboration with health departments.