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I mentioned a few of my other projects, including the following: my next novel, Any Other City, coming out with Arsenal Pulp Press in April 2023my newsletter, Whatever Happened to Hazel Jane?my band, Certain WomenThe episode transcript can be found here.The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign. t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk to Ryka Aoki about everything from Béla Bartók and Dolly Parton to writing works with the underlying message of "I love you." Books by Ryka Aoki: Light From Uncommon StarsHe Mele a HiloWhy Dust Shall Never Settle Upon This SoulSeasonal Velocities Some of the works/people/etc. mentioned in this episode: Rykaworld (her newsletter) Béla BartókPass with Care by Cooper Lee BombardierYoko OnoDolly Parton The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign. t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with Jeanne Thornton about everything from the history of recorded music to writing as a form of magic.Some of Jeanne's work:Summer FunThe Black Emerald: Novellas & Stories The Dream of Doctor BantamSome of the works/people/etc. mentioned in this episode: The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson (ofc)I Am Brian Wilson: A Memoir by Brian Wilson (with Ben Greenman)Perfecting Sound Forever: An Aural History of Recorded Music by Greg MilnerCalvin and HobbesWe Had No Rules by Corinne Manning Jeanne Thornton's review of We Had No Rules (on AGOTT)Corinne Manning's review of Summer Fun (at the Brooklyn Rail)Nevada by Imogen BinnieDetransition, Baby by Torrey PetersLittle Fish by Casey PlettInstar BooksTori Amos Bootleg Webring by Megan MilksThe Far Side of Madness by John Weir PerryUlysses by James JoyceJames Joyce by Richard EllmannWilliam GaddisSongs My Mother Taught Me by Marlon BrandoBishakh Som Miscellaneous Kisses by Hazel Jane PlanteThe episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)Photo of Jeanne Thornton by Leslie Weems.The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign. t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with Megan Milks about everything from what it was like to publish four books in 2021 (!?!) to writing about pop culture, queerness, bodies and shame. The four books Megan Milks published in 2021: Margaret and the Mystery of the Missing BodySlug and Other StoriesTori Amos Bootleg Webring (Remember the Internet #2)We Are the Baby-Sitters Club: Essays and Artwork from Grown-Up Readers (co-edited with Marisa Crawford)Some of the works/writers/etc. mentioned in this episode: Andrea Lawlor's Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl Samuel DelanyTori AmosBessel van der Kolk's The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of TraumaVivek Shraya's She of the MountainsKai Cheng Thom's Fierce Femmes and Notorious Liars: A Dangerous Trans Girl's Confabulous MemoirJeanne Thornton, including Summer FunKathy AckerDodie BellamyQueen's song "Bohemian Rhapsody"McKenzie Wark's Reverse CowgirlMildred Pierce zineSomewhere in Time (film)Carmen Maria Machado's Her Body and Other Parties and In the Dream HouseJulietta Singh's No Archive Will Restore YouThe episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.  t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with Kai Cheng Thom about everything from writing for children and her perennial influences to how her creative work intersects with her embodiment and loving justice work.Works by Kai Cheng Thom that are mentioned: Fierce Femmes and Notorious Liars: A Dangerous Trans Girl's Confabulous MemoirI Hope We Choose Love: A Trans Girl's Notes at the End of the WorldA Place Called No HomelandFrom the Stars in the Sky to the Fish in the SeaFor Laika, the Dog Who Learned the Names of the StarsSo You’re Ready To Choose Love: Trauma-informed Conflict Transformation for Social Justice & Spiritual Growth workbookSome of the works/writers mentioned in this episode: Donald WinnicottCarl Jungjaye simpsonUrsula K. Le GuinMegan Milks 's Margaret and the Mystery of the Missing BodyAlexis Pauline Gumbs's Undrowned: Black Feminist Lessons from Marine MammalsEleanor Coerr's Sadako and the Thousand Paper CranesJohn Fox's The Boys on the RockJoey Comeau's Lockpick PornographySarah Polley's Run Towards the Danger Katherine Applegate's Animorphs seriesOctavia Butler's Wild SeedThe episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign. t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations. 

I talk with Cassia Hardy about writing songs and playing with her band Wares. You can find Wares (and get their music) via Bandcamp. We mention plenty of musicians during our conversation, including the following: Cocteau TwinsMy Bloody ValentineFeistNew PornographersBroken Social SceneVagabonMitskiWaxahatcheeMetallicaArthur RussellJoan ArmatradingYoko OnoCourtney BarnettPublic Enemy's Fear of a Black PlanetElectrelane's The Power OutHum's InletFugazi's The Argument Photo of Cassia Hardy by Levi Manchak.The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.  t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with Morgan M Page about everything from creative collaborations and her trans history podcast One From the Vaults to writing mtf4ftm noir-influenced fiction and the desire to have writer/filmmaker Virginie Despentes spit in your face.Links and works related to Morgan M Page that are mentioned or relevant to the conversation: her website her Twitterher InstagramOne from the Vaults, particularly the Valentine's Day episode (OFTV 4) on trans man Michael Dillon and his doomed romance with trans woman Roberta CowellValley of the D (her substack)Framing Agnes (forthcoming feature film co-written with Chase Joynt, who also directs)"Rental" (a short story she published in Plenitude in 2015)“Visions” (a short story she published in Meanwhile, Elsewhere, ed. Casey Plett and Cat Fitzpatrick, Topside Press, 2017)At Land, a chapbook novella published in 2014.“The Black Cube,” Procyon Science Fiction Anthology, ed. Jeanne Thornton, Tayen Lane Publishing, 2016."Funny Hawaiian Toni Morrison" (her review of Ryka Aoki's novel He Mele A Hilo: A Hilo Song) published in TSQ in 2015Her review of Small Beauty by Jia Qing Wilson-Yang, published by Lambda Literary in 2016“One From the Vaults,” in Trap Door: Trans Cultural Production and the Politics of Visibility (edited by Reina Gossett, Eric Stanley, Johanna Burton), MIT Press/The New Museum. October 2017“Never Be New Again: Resisting the intoxicating trans first,” Valley of the D, 2021“The forgotten legacy of trans artist and activist Mirha-Soleil Ross,” Dazed Digital, February 2019“Aiyyana Maracle,” Queer Bible, November 2017"Numinous and Moving: The Rapture of Nina Arsenault," Valley of the D, 2021A list of some people and works that are mentioned during our conversation (try to keep up!): Chase Joynt, including the recent documentary No Ordinary Man, which he co-wrote and co-directedMax DisgraceBryn KellyKyle LukoffMirha-Soleil RossGlenn Copeland, including the recent documentary about him, Keyboard FantasiesLynn ConwayCandy DarlingJackie CurtisHolly WoodlawnViviane Namaste, particularly her book Invisible Lives: The Erasure of Transsexual and Transgendered People (2000)Sylvia RiveraMarsha P. JohnsonTourmalineNina ArsenaultWe Both Laughed in Pleasure: The Selected Diaries of Lou Sullivan (2019), edited by Ellis Martin and Zach OzmaLou Sullivan: Daring To Be a Man Among Men (2017) by Brice D SmithSilas Howard, particularly By Hook or By Crook (2001), the film he co-wrote and co-directed with Harry DodgeHarry Dodge's book My Meteorite (2020)Max Wolf ValerioZackary Drucker, particularly The Lady and the Dale, the documentary series about Liz Carmichael that she co-directedAngelica RossStephen IraReed EricksonGreer Lanktonthe TV series Posethe film Tangerine (2015)Imogen Binnie's novel Nevada (2013)Torrey Peters' novel Detransition, Baby (2021)David LynchMaya DerenCaitlín R. KiernanDennis CooperKathy AckerSarah SchulmanLana Del Reythe documentary Disclosure (2020)Ryka Aoki's novels  He Mele a Hilo: A Hilo Song (2014) and Light From Uncommon Stars (2021)Casey Plett's short story collection A Safe Girl To Love (2014)Topside PressDavid WojnarowiczJordy Rosenberg's novel Confessions of the Fox (2018)jia qing wilson-yang's novel Small Beauty (2016)Shola von Reinhold's novel LOTE (2020)Saidiya Hartman's book Wayward Lives, Beautiful Experiments (2020)Virginie Despentes, including her book King Kong Theory (2006)Paul B. Preciado's book Testo Junkie (2008)ORIGINAL PLUMBING: The Best of Ten Years of Trans Male Culture (2019), an anthology edited by Amos Mac and Rocco KayiatosAiyyana MaracleXanthra Phillippa Mackay, including the zine Gendertrash from Hell (1993-95), which she co-edited with Mirha-Soleil RossJake PyneRupert RajRoz KaveneyJackie ShaneMiss MajorPhoto of Morgan M Page by Max Herridge.The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.  t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with artist/cartoonist/writer Bishakh Som about everything from goth as gender to how she created two wildly different books that came out around the same time: Apsara Engine and Spellbound. You should follow her on Instagram, where she often posts stunning for-sale work. The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.  t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with Torrey Peters about everything from writing about shame and bodies to Hemingway and commas.  Works by Torrey that we discuss: Detransition, BabyInfect Your Friends and Loved OnesThe MaskerSome of the works/writers/etc. mentioned in this episode: Rainer Werner Fassbinder's essay “Six Films by Douglas Sirk" (New Left Review, no. 91, May/June 1975)Topside PressKarl Ove KnausgårdT Fleischmann’s Time is the Thing a Body Moves ThroughAli Blythe’s HymnswitchJordy Rosenberg's Confessions of the FoxJames Joyce's story "The Dead" (Here is its final sentence: "His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last end, upon all the living and the dead.")Ernest Hemingway's six word short story: "For Sale: Baby shoes, never worn."Ken Burns and Lynn Novick's PBS documentary HemingwayJackie Ess's DarrylGretchen Felker-Martin's ManhuntRyka Aoki's Light From Uncommon StarsJorge Luis BorgesThe episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)Photo of Torrey Peters by Natasha Gornik.The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign. t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

I talk with McKenzie Wark about a range of topics, including writing, editing (her superpower), glimpsing yourself in works by other writers, and writing about sex. Books by McKenzie that we discuss:  I'm Very into You: Correspondence 1995–1996 [with Kathy Acker] (2015)Reverse Cowgirl (2020)Philosophy for Spiders: On the Low Theory of Kathy Acker (forthcoming, Sept 2021)Articles written by McKenzie that are mentioned:  Girls Like UsThe Many-handed Hunger of Transsexuality: On T. FleischmannReality Cabaret: On Juliana HuxtableCommitment to the Bit: On Andrea Long ChuPaper PrincessBooks by other writers that come up (in approximate order of appearance):  Blood and Guts in High School - Kathy AckerPussy, King of the Pirates - Kathy AckerTime is the Thing a Body Moves Through - T FleischmannConundrum - Jan MorrisOur Lady of the Flowers - Jean GenetKatherine’s Diary - Katherine CummingsThe Freezer Door - Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore"Descent into the Maelström" [short story] - Edgar Allen PoeI Love Dick - Chris KrausPSYCHO NYMPH EXILE - Porpentine Charity HeartscapeLittle Fish - Casey PlettNevada - Imogen BinnieInfect Your Friends and Loved Ones - Torrey PetersDetransition, Baby - Torrey PetersI've Got a Time Bomb - Sybil LambWomen in Clothes [an anthology edited by Sheila Heti et al. with a piece by Christen Clifford called "Mother, Daughter, Moustache"]The Argonauts - Maggie NelsonBluets - Maggie NelsonMy Meteorite - Harry DodgeThe Subtweet - Vivek ShrayaHe Mele A Hilo - Ryka AokiNext Year, For Sure - Zoey Leigh PetersonPaul Takes the Form of Mortal Girl - Andrea LawlorDarryl - Jackie EssThe full episode transcript is available right here. The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign. t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.