The Hidden true crime podcast explores the hidden motives behind unimaginable crimes, while examining our deepest fears along the way. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors, both good and bad, in order to understand the world and ourselves. Pull up a chair at our dinner table as the husband and wife team of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, a journalist, delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes. What are you hiding? What are you hiding from? What remains hidden?
Beyond The Veil: Is Julie Rowe a Cult Leader or a Spiritual Healer?
2:22:59In a first of its kind interview, we talk to a wife and husband who say they were groomed by Julie Rowe. Lauren Matthias interviews "Girl on Fire" who takes us deep into the belief system followed by Julie Rowe & Chad Daybell. We end the episode with statements from both Eric Smith and Joel Gurvine.
Beyond The Veil: Interview with Cult Expert Dr. Christine
1:47:12BONUS EPISODE of Beyond the Veil: Lauren interviews survivor, activist, and cult expert Dr. Christine. Dr. Christine is the founder of Voices for Dignity, a non-profit in Hildale, Utah that helps survivors of trafficking, coercive control, and oppression. Dr. Christine and Lauren will explore some of the founding beliefs of Mormonism to provide a picture of how off-shoot cults among believing members of the LDS church can transpire and evolve. Dr. Christine also shares her courageous personal story of survival, trafficking, and transformation. Join us tonight for a unique dinner conversation about LDS cults with a cult expert who shares her very personal and instructive story relevant to the Daybell case.
Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part II
1:33:18Tonight, we continue our dinner conversation about the power of love in human behavior, beliefs, and, quite possibly, as a primary motivation for murder. Join us as we continue to untangle Lori’s quest for ideal love and its repercussions for her extreme behaviors.
Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part I
1:25:45Join us for an in-depth dinner conversation about belief formation and the desire for ideal love. We dig as deep as we can into Lori Vallow Daybell’s psyche and start to put all of the pieces together to develop a comprehensive psychological portrait of how and why these murders occurred. Tonight, we explore Lori’s role in these tragic events through an examination of Lori’s yearning for other-worldly love as a panacea for all her worldly pain and suffering.
Beyond the Veil: When Chad Met Lori and the Dream of Immortality
1:14:59Join us for an in-depth dinner conversation about death anxiety, terror management theory and Chad’s desire to achieve immortality. We dig as deep as we can into Chad Daybell’s psyche and start to put all of the pieces together to develop a comprehensive psychological portrait of how and why these murders occurred. When Chad met Lori a seemingly inescapable cascade of events and psychological elements began to unfold that ended in multiple murders. Join us to discover why.
Beyond the Veil: Revisiting Chad and a Tribute to Tammy Daybell
1:01:39Tonight, we revisit Chad’s role in the murders through a close examination of his family upbringing, books and career choices based upon new information since our first episodes. We lay the foundation for the combustible moment when Chad and Lori meet and nothing can deter them from their murderous mission. Lauren concludes dinner with a personal tribute to Tammy Daybell.
Beyond the Veil: The Fearlessness and Filicide of Lori Vallow Daybell
1:10:03We get closer to answering the big questions at dinner tonight- Why do human beings murder? Why did Lori really kill her children? We examine the research on filicide and psychopathy to provide some insight into these thorny questions in addition to bringing in a famous child murderer from the past, Diane Downs, to assist in our analysis. Before finishing dinner, we explore the roles of courage and fearlessness in homicide. What does fearlessness have to do with murder? And what does real courage look like and how can we attain it?
Beyond the Veil: The Many Extremes of Lori Vallow Daybell Part II
52:31In this second half of dinner we explore the relationship between borderline personality disorder and violence potential. We also make the connection between Lori’s extremism and research on terrorists and terrorism. Is Lori a terrorist? Is Chad a terrorist? What makes a terrorist? We conclude our lengthy two-week dinner with a tribute to the many victims of crime and the emotional impact of delving deeply into crime.
Beyond the Veil: The Many Extremes of Lori Vallow Daybell Part I
49:11We pick up where we left off in the last episode with the impact of Lori’s family upbringing upon her personality dynamics and life decisions, exploring Lori’s propensity for the extremes in emotions, behaviors and beliefs. We ask: Does Lori have a personality disorder? Was she sexually abused? Is she a borderline personality disorder? Have her past traumas and family wounds contributed to her decision to murder her children? Join us for dinner tonight to find out.
Beyond the Veil: The Making of Lori Vallow Daybell
1:02:38In this episode we begin to disentangle the twisted web that is Lori Vallow Daybell through a close examination of her family upbringing and dynamics. We explore the Cox family system (Lori’s family of origin) through the story of Narcissus and explain how this classic mythological tale still holds sway today.