The ADNA Presents

You know how one closed door can feel like the whole universe saying no? Dr. Tabitha Kenlon, an English professor and my friend, knows that feeling. So does Gene Kelly's young hoofer (a tap dancer) in Singin' in the Rain. He gets a door slammed in his face, shrugs, and knocks on the next one. Tabitha and I call it the shrug graceful. If you're a voice actor, you knock on doors for a living. This episode is for the auditions that come back as a no, or as nothing at all. We talk about: The shrug: what Gene Kelly does after the door slams The punctuation of "Gotta dance": question mark, exclamation point, period The parenthesis: what a Trollope character calls his hard years The ninth-grade play I got kicked out of The Singin' in the Rain scene where the words and the picture tell two different stories, and Tabitha's question about handling it in Audio Description Knock, knock, shrug.

Part 2 with Bryan Duarte, co-founder and CTO of HapWare. In the ALEYE app, a wearer builds presets for work, home or date night and picks which cues come through. The options include a smile, a furrowed brow (cmon AD writers, you know that one), a handshake, a fist bump and, yes, the middle finger. Bryan explains why the camera is still the hardest problem: 15 frames per second on Meta glasses, 51 on an iPhone. He also takes on the harder question of what happens when the person being read never agreed to it. His answer draws on 13 years with his guide dog, Dixon, and on what happened to guide dog access once people started putting vests on their pets. He's taking the same case to legislators writing new camera laws. Audio Description gives blind audiences the smile on screen. Bryan is working on the smile across the table.

Bryan Duarte lost his sight at 18 in a motorcycle accident. He went on to earn a PhD in computer science studying one question: can touch carry what sight usually carries? Today he's co-founder and CTO of HapWare, building ALEYE. It's a wristband paired with a camera that reads facial expressions, gestures and body language. It plays each one as a pattern of vibrations on the wearer's wrist. In Part 1, Bryan talks about what the wristband feels like after a few hours and why learning the patterns is like learning a new ringtone. He also explains why HapWare stopped trying to tell a slight smile from a big one. Audio Description runs into the same question. A script can say "She smiles." The performance decides whether that smile is flirty, sarcastic or barely there. ALEYE tells the wearer someone smiled and leaves the meaning to them.

Timothy Prewitt spent 30 years across 16 countries, solving seemingly unsolvable problems like hunger, water, and agriculture. To name a few: Kosovo after the war. Afghanistan. Nigeria. He ran The Hunger Project and iDE, reaching close to 13 million people a year. He also keeps a 35-year silent meditation practice, fasts alone in the mountains for four days at a stretch, and plays a lot of pinball. His work has nothing to do with Audio Description. This one is about how you start when the task in front of you is too big to look at. For Audio Description, there can be hundreds of description cues and not enough hours. Invoices nobody is paying. A career being squeezed by politics or technology. For Tim, his answer is small and usable, and it comes from Everest guides: don't look at the top of the mountain, just take the very next step. Along the way: why still water lets you see what's under it, why the people closest to a problem are the ones who solve it, and the truckload of donated hospital equipment that taught a 22-year-old idealist why good intentions need real expertise behind them. Tim writes at timprewitt.substack.com. More on the work Roy does with executives and media teams: parityendeavors.com

Pre-recorded for our live Comic-Con panel, The Track You Never Heard, with Colleen Connor and Anna Capezzera. Colleen is blind and runs Audio Description Training Retreats. She built it with a specific rule: the blind professional teaches, as an equal, instead of getting called in afterward to give feedback. Classes cap at eight. Notes go out ahead of time so class time is practice and feedback, nothing else. Anna oversees the Audio Description department at Deluxe. She started as a writer, then learned the audio side so she could talk to her engineers in their own language. She walks through the whole process, order to delivery, including the weekend her entire team wrote in parallel to hit a schedule that was cut to a quarter. Then the harder conversations. Distributors can drop full seasons and split them across writers, so nobody holds the whole story. Colleen makes the case for blind quality control catching what sighted QC won't. Anna makes the case for hiring blind voice performers and reading what the audience actually says. And Colleen's line, which is the whole episode in nine words: You can't be extremely fast and good at Audio Description.

Soud Habbas spent his career building systems for nonprofits working in some of the hardest environments in the world: Jordan, Egypt, Rwanda, and the West Bank. As chief operating officer, he made sure programs actually worked, stayed honest with funders, and didn't put people at risk. In this conversation, Soud tells the story of a $40,000 bet on a small women's dairy cooperative that outperformed programs ten times its size, and a million-dollar-a-year partnership with the John Deere Foundation that worked because of one thing: trust. He talks about what it takes to hold a partner accountable without losing the relationship, and how he's applying the same principle to his own life after a recent layoff sent him back to the bar exam he never took. If you've ever been told your idea is too small to matter, this one's for you.

Roy Samuelson sits down with Maria Miller, former Senior Private Sector Specialist with the International Finance Corporation. Maria spent 14 years traveling to more than 20 countries, including post-conflict zones, helping governments rebuild the economic rules that determine who can start a business, get a job, or build a future. She went to Liberia 3 months after a civil war ended. She monitored elections in Ethiopia. She worked in places where what she assumed was essential turned out not to be. Then she retired early and moved her work closer to home. She now sits on the board of Girls Global Academy in Washington, DC, the city's first all-girls International Baccalaureate charter school, as vice chair and head of community engagement. In this conversation: what Liberia taught her about what's essential, how you change a system slowly without claiming the credit, the personal cost of a career built across 20 countries, and what a teenage girl who said "I'm networking" revealed about why possibility has to be visible before it can be chosen.

Connor Scott-Gardner is a blind accessibility advocate, disability rights writer, and someone who has spent years thinking carefully about what it means to be helped, witnessed, and included. In this second half of our conversation, Connor names something the accessibility world doesn't say often enough: good intentions are not the same as ethical behavior. He talks about Be My Eyes volunteers who filmed blind users without consent, what that reveals about power and trust, and why intent is never the whole story. He also turns the mirror on himself, reflecting on a viral video he made years ago that still sits uncomfortably with him. Then the conversation opens up. Connor shares his complicated early relationship with Audio Description, how the field has changed in its treatment of race and identity, and why the expansion into live performance, including ballet, represents something bigger than access. It represents a field that is finally asking the right questions. This is a conversation about trust, craft, and what it looks like when an industry stops assuming it knows what its audience needs and starts listening instead.

Connor Scott-Gardner has presented at the European Parliament, Westminster, and SXSW. He also goes home, gets tired, and sometimes thinks he hasn't done anything. This podcast will prove that he has done much. In this first conversation, he talks about what genuine support for blind young people looks like up close, and what gets in the way of it. He names a trap he's fallen into himself: pointing out every barrier without offering a direction. And he explains why awareness, on its own, has a ceiling. This is a precise, generous conversation with someone who has thought hard about the difference between performing concern and actually creating change. Part 2 is coming.

Something went wrong during a live show. An aerial performer fell. The Audio Description professional described it as it happened. Then told the audience the performer was okay. No script covered that moment. No algorithm was ready for it. A human was paying attention, and that made all the difference. Dr. Cynthia Bennett is a blind researcher at Google who studies what happens when technology is built without the people it's supposed to serve. In this conversation, we get into why imperfect, unpredictable human moments are exactly what AI struggles with most. Why she thinks claiming to be objective is less honest than just telling you where you stand. And how the process of making research accessible to her, as a blind researcher, actually changed what her research found. This one stays with you.