Kelly and the Satanic Panic | Part 4

Natalie and Vanessa discuss the way therapy rose in our culture over the past 20 years, and catch up with two women who grew up in co-counseling. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We examine trouble in the Boston school system, particularly the Boston Student Advisory Council, when a youth worker was found practicing co-counseling with minors without parental consent. We hear the story of student Keondre McClay, who felt pressured to attend an overnight retreat where he was asked by white adults to physically express his emotions as a way to address his trauma from racial experiences.  Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, we explore Re-evaluation Counseling (RC), a group that promotes emotional release as a way to heal psychological wounds. Originating in the 1950s, RC encourages individuals to process their emotions through crying, shaking, or laughing, while also framing itself as a movement for social change. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Natalie's talking today to Pulitzer Prize-winner Emily Nussbaum, author of bestselling book Cue the Sun, about reality TV. From Love Island to Scandoval to Love is Blind, reality TV is more than a guilty pleasure - it's a powerful mirror of society itself. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How did the leader of Tesla and SpaceX turn into a late-night Twitter addict? A onetime tech optimist, Elon, father of 12 children and all around angsty guy, has a darker cast of mind today. Natalie talks to Ryan Mac, who co-authored Character Limit, a book about Elon and Twitter. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Matthew Perry was a beloved star making a million dollars an episode on Friends. But he could never shake his addiction to drugs, and died at 54 years old after taking ketamine in his backyard hot tub. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lululemon’s expensive leggings propelled the company to a $29 billion market cap and made its founder, Chip Wilson, a billionaire. But Lululemon also has had its fair share of scandals, including some comments from Chip about who should – or should not – wear its clothes. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Can we trust our own memories? Vanessa and Natalie hear from memory experts to dig into the ideas of repressed and false memory that came up in the Kelly Michaels story. They also discuss how the themes in this story are still relevant today – from Lil Nas X to Pizzagate. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After years in prison, Kelly is finally free. But what about those on the other side of the table? Does it matter whether or not Kelly is innocent, if they believe she isn’t? Experts weigh in on the role memory plays in cases like Kelly’s, and what the Satanic panic can teach us about the moral panics of today.  Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Not long ago, Kelly Michaels was a daycare worker and aspiring actor; now, she’s locked in a prison cell, in solitary confinement, struggling to hold on to her sanity. Meanwhile, some journalists and activists are beginning to see a pattern in all the bizarre allegations against daycare workers around the country — and they take an interest in Kelly’s case. Something smells fishy, and they soon help Kelly in her plight to prove her innocence. Click ‘Subscribe’ at the top of the Infamous show page on Apple Podcasts or visit GetTheBinge.com to get access wherever you get your podcasts. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices A Campside Media & Sony Music Entertainment production. To connect with Infamous's creative team, plus access behind the scenes content, join the community at Campsidemedia.com/join Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices