0508 | We Only Spoke and Never Sung

We begin looking at attacks and odd encounters at college campuses on the west coast, with one particular campus - familiar to us all - coming up again and again. These encounters force us to re-evaluate a previously covered disappearance, something from the Kim interviews, and Keyes's marathon days.  This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by: Kim K. and Shana WilenskyResources: The Western Washington University Police The Cooper Point Journal, The Evergreen State College The Rachel Corrie Foundation for Peace and Justice: https://rachelcorriefoundation.org/  This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  Music by: William Hellfire, Radical Face, Tai Argaman, Jordan Hatfield, James Forest, Aquartos, Dan Mayo. Featured music by: Sarah Belkner  Sponsored by: BetterHelp / www.betterhelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month. Green Chef / www.greenchef.com/truecrimebs50 with promo code "TrueCrimeBS50" for 50% off, plus 20% off your next two months. Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annemarie Cash, Annette L, Asch Fish, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Heather Horton-Whedon, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, Jordan Goodnight, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Kharisma Rodriguez, Kimberly K, Lana, Lauren F, Lindsay Kurtis, Lindsey Loucifer, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Sarah King, SC, Shelly Brewer, Sherri D, Tuesdi Woodworth, Vicki Russell, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan Taylor, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, and Lydia Fiedler.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Photos from Keyes's Constable home open up new leads, new ideas about Keyes, and old questions. Plus a look at encounters and attacks on college campuses across the country gives us insight into how Keyes was operating. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Kim K. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  Music by: William Hellfire, Sergey Cheremisinov, Whithe, Aquartos, Dan Mayo. Featured music by: Broken Social Scene.  Sponsored by: BetterHelp / www.betterhelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month. Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annette L, Asch Fish, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Kimberly K, Lana, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Sarah King, SC, Shelly Brewer, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan Taylor, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, and Lydia Fiedler.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

The Kimberly interviews provide critical information to the Keyes timeline, and a pattern begins to emerge. New research takes Josh to the East Coast and two potential victims. Surprising new information leads us back to some previously disregarded tips. And more than fifty new photos change the course of the investigation. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Kim K. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  Join Josh on the AdvocacyCon livestream on Facebook at 7:30pm Central on Thursday (3/28). Music by: William Hellfire, Sergey Cheremisinov, Radical Face, Sero, Whithe, Esther Abrami, John Gegelman, Tristan Barton, Jameson Nathan Jones. Featured music by: The Cinematic Orchestra.  Sponsored by: BetterHelp / www.betterhelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month. Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annette L, Asch Fish, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Kimberly K, Lana, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Sarah King, SC, Shelly Brewer, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Karli McNutt, Jordan Taylor, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, and Lydia Fiedler.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

After a year break, Josh and team are back with dozens of new files, hours of new interviews, and a much bigger view of Keyes' and Kimberly's personal lives, and their implications on his crimes. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by: Jordan Taylor, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Kim K. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  Join the livestream discussion on YouTube.  Music by: William Hellfire, Sergey Cheremisinov, Radical Face, Sero, Hive, Kyle Preston, and Parhelion Featured music by: The New Pornographers  Sponsored by: BetterHelp / www.betterhelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month. Patreon producers: Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annette L, Asch Fish, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, Kathleen Studer, Kendall C, Kimberly K, Lana, Lauren F, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boukolus, Nicole and Dennis Henry, Sarah King, SC, Shelly Brewer, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Karli McNutt, Jordan Taylor, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, and Lydia Fiedler.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

True Crime Bullsh** returns March 21. Written and produced by Josh Hallmark. Featuring: • Shana Wilensky • Jordan Taylor • Kim K. • Kaz • Michelle Tooker * Josh & Dakota from Somewhere in the Pines This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: www.truecrimebullshit.com / www.bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand Sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to BetterHelp.com/TCB for 10% off your first month. Patreon: www.Patreon.com/StudioBothAnd Berkshire Podcast Festival: www.BerkshirePodcastFestival.com True Crime Podcast Festival: www.TrueCrimePodcastFestival.comBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Binge the rest of season one of Unsafe Spaces, at Unsafe Spaces: Tampa's Missing Men, wherever you listen to podcasts.Scott Schweickert's house is searched, disturbing photos are found on Steven Lorenzo's computer, more Lorenzo assault victims come forward, someone confesses, and another gay man goes missing. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark With additional research by: Kaz Featuring: • Dr. Scott from LA Not So Confidential • Drew Mackie from Gayest Episode Ever This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandMusic by: Evolving Scapes, Grisly Bill, Light in the Shadow, Hynogogia, Yehezkel Raz, and Yotam Agam Featured music by: Chris GarneauBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Steven Lorenzo's friend and accomplice is identified as Scott Schweickert. And the pair's history is revealed through AOL instant messages and a mutual friend. Tampa PD investigate multiple assaults within the Tampa gay community, leading to an arrest and a second search warrant. And the relationship between Steven and Scott gets complicated.This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark With additional research by: Kaz Audio editing by: Darron Wood (The Defense Diaries podcast) This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandResources include: • The Charlie Project • NAMUS • The Tampa Bay Times: Which one is the real Scott? • Newspapers.com • CNN.com• Equity Florida Action, IncMusic by: Yehezkel Rez, Circles, The Bows, Spiriturn, and Colour Book Featured music by: Owen PallettBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Steven Lorenzo comes to the forefront of Tampa PD's investigation into the disappearance of Jason Galehouse and the death of Michael Wachholtz. Lorenzo's criminal history leads to a sting operation that ends in a very haunting search of his home, and lists of some very important names. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark With additional research by: Kaz Featuring: Jason Leroy (The Binge Movie Podcast) This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand Resources include: • The Charlie Project • NAMUS • Uncovered • The Tampa Bay Times • Newspapers.com • The Albuquerque Journal • Amnesty International Music by: Yehezkel Rez, Yotam Agam, Theatre of Delays, Grisly Bill, and Benjamin Esterlis Featured music by: Jacob FossumBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

Josh's other investigative true crime podcast, Unsafe Spaces, just wrapped its first season. Binge the first four episodes here and now, then head on over to Unsafe Spaces: Tampa's Missing Men to subscribe and binge the complete season. On December 22, 2003, two gay men were reported missing to Tampa PD. The investigations into their disappearances, would open a Pandora's Box that would force the police, the media, and society to examine how their actions and negligence led to some of Florida's most sinister crimes. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by: Kaz. Featuring: Eric Schmidt and Dr. Scott (LA Not So Confidential). This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyiFor an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothandResources include: • The Charlie Project • NAMUS • Uncovered • Clearwater Police Department • The Tampa Bay Times: 1 2 3Music by: Colour Book, Yehezkel Rez, Roniit, Raz Burg, Raz Burg, and Yotam Agam Featured music by: Josef SalvatBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

A Pennsylvania district attorney goes missing while out on a scenic drive. His car is quickly recovered, but little-to-no evidence and plenty of theories and conjecture convolute a case full of strange coincidences. Season 6 of True Crime Bullsh** will premiere in March. Sponsored by: BetterHelp.com/tcb for 10% off your first month. This episode was written and researched by Michelle Tooker. It was edited, produced, and host by Josh Hallmark. This is a Studio BOTH/AND production: truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience: patreon.com/studiobothand Music by: Michael Vignola, Jesse Gallagher, and pATCHES Featured song by Folly Tree featuring O MerResources:https://charleyproject.org/case/ray-frank-gricarhttps://charleyproject.org/case/mel-l-wileyhttps://raygricar.comhttps://www.crimewatchpa.com/crimestoppers/316/cases/cold-case-missing-person-ray-frank-gricar-bellefonte-centre-county-5000-rewardhttps://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/04/the-hunt-for-ray-gricar-15-years-of-clues-theories-and-the-search-for-answers.htmlhttps://www.statecollege.com/articles/local-news/news-report-says-police-investigating-possibility-that-ray-gricar-was-murdered-by-member-of-biker-gang/https://www.pennlive.com/midstate/2012/04/ray_gricar_mystery.htmlhttps://www.pennlive.com/politics/2015/04/ray_gricar_the_missing_centre.htmlhttps://www.dailyitem.com/news/hard-drive-yields-no-clues-in-disappearance-of-gricar/article_e6db9b51-511f-5172-bdee-023c8954a547.htmlhttps://www.carcovers.com/carresources/history-of-the-mini-cooper/https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=iZYNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5334,210533&dq=ray+gricar+laptophttps://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/centredaily/name/billy-leathers-obituary?id=15532835https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1385696/posts?q=1&;page=1Patreon Producers: Adrienne Aiello, Amelia Hancock, Amy Basil, Annette L, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Dana Keith, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, John O’Leary, Kendall C, Kimberly K, Lauren F, Lindsay Kurtis, Lynnlie Tuschoff, Manolis Boulukos, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Sarah King, SC, Shannon Foster, Shelly Brewer, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, Beth McNally, John Comrie, Jordan Taylor, Karli McNutt, Lana, Sara Cee, Shawna Hardin, Vicki Russell, and Lydia FiedlerBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.