Cassidy Hall on Queering Contemplation, Letting Go of Thomas Merton, and Expanding Foundations

"[Jeffrey Martin writes] Songs that are stark in their simplicity, yet emotionally rich in a way that can catch your breath in your throat or leave your eyes suddenly damp." — Paste Jeffrey Martin is a musician with a number of albums under his belt. His latest, Thank God We Left the Garden, has been playing on repeat in my house since November of last year. That is not an exaggeration. Martin’s music has been turning my soul over with each listen, airing out the space and providing sunlight on unswept corners. Melodies and turns of phrase that alter the course of my day. In our conversation Jeffrey and I talk about his time as an English teacher, the mystery of knowing and unknowing in art, the impact of handwritten letters, and so much more. Visit Jeffrey Martin at jeffreymartinmusic.com | IG: @jeffreymartinmusic Visit Contemplify.com for the shownotes

“A powerful and important plunge into the reality of the mind and climate.” — Joan Halifax, author of Being with Dying and Standing at the Edge Susan Murphy is an Australian Zen teacher whose passionate feeling of kinship with the natural world began during her early childhood years living near the Great Barrier Reef and the Gondwanaland rainforest. A successful filmmaker, radio producer, and writer, she received dharma transmission from Ross Bolleter and John Tarrant in 2001. She leads regular retreats around Australia and teaches an Australia-wide sangha that extends internationally online. She is the author of numerous books, and most recently A Fire Runs through All Things: Zen Koans for Facing the Climate Crisis, which holds the center of this conversation. Susan and I talk about a childhood moment of awakening, the vast meaning of the word “Country” in Australia and its ringing formation in her, the punchy joy of Zen koans, and so much more. Visit Susan Murphy at zenopencircle.org.au Visit contemplify.com for shownotes

"In Touch the Earth, Drew Jackson's poetry offers a word-weary world a new language of engagement, disruption, and insight. As with all great poetry, the words are spare, but the literary images loom large, creating indelible impressions on the reader. Like echoes that reverberate long after the first sound, the poems stay with you, they dance with your spirit. After reading the poem 'Shake the Dust,' I am still considering a much broader definition of power, one no longer confined to the monarchs, governments, and oppressors but with a conscience as sticky as cling wrap that refuses to allow its memories to be shaken loose. This collection is a meditative treasure." — Barbara Holmes, author of Joy Unspeakable: Contemplative Practices of the Black Church and Crisis Contemplation: Healing the Wounded Village Drew Jackson is a poet, speaker, and public theologian. He is author of God Speaks Through Wombs: Poems on God’s Unexpected Coming and Touch the Earth: Poems on The Way. His work has been widely published. Drew received his B.A. in Political Science from the Univ. of Chicago and his M.A. in Theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. He currently works as the Director of Mission Integration for the Center for Action and Contemplation, and lives in Brooklyn, NY with his wife and daughters. In our conversation Drew and I talk about the seeds of poetry planted through the lyrical mastery of Nas as well as his immersion into sacred text, why Lucille Clifton’s poetry should explored by all, his mystical lineage and, and much more. Visit Drew Jackson at drewejackson.com | IG: @d.jacksonpoetics

Tracy Cochran is a writer, meditation teacher, and editorial director of Parabola, an acclaimed quarterly magazine that draws on the world’s cultural and wisdom traditions to explore the questions that all humans share. Her writing has appeared in The New York Times, Psychology Today, O Magazine, and New York Magazine to name a few. Her latest publication is her book Presence: The Art of Being at Home in Yourself. In our conversation Tracy and I talk about owning the gifts and limitations of our presence, her daughter’s precocious question about Thich Nhat Hahn, the Buddha’s grief, and so much more. Visit Tracy Cochran at tracycochran.org | IG: @tracycochran_author Visit Contemplify.com for shownotes

Brian D. McLaren is an author, speaker, activist, and public theologian. A former college English teacher and pastor, he is a passionate advocate for “a new kind of Christianity” – just, generous, and working with people of all faiths for the common good. He is a core faculty member and Dean of Faculty for the Center for Action and Contemplation and hosts the podcast, Learning How to See. Brian has written numerous books that you should read, and right now I recommend his latest Life After Doom: Wisdom and Courage for a World Falling Apart. In our conversation Brian and I talk about the desire to embody urgency and patience simultaneously, the music that has formed him, complexifying hope in dire times, and so much more. Visit Brian McLaren at brianmclaren.net | IG: @brian_mclaren Visit contemplify.com

Cassidy Hall is an author, award-winning filmmaker, podcaster, ordained minister in the United Church of Christ, and leading voice in contemplative spirituality. She is the cohost of the Encountering Silence podcast and the host of Contemplating Now and Queering Contemplation podcasts. Her latest book is Queering Contemplation, Finding Queerness in the Roots and Future of Contemplative Spirituality. Cassidy is widely published and currently resides in Indianapolis, where she is studying for her DMin degree. In our conversation Cassidy and I talk about what drew her into contemplative spirituality and what expanded its horizons, falling head over heels with a tree, and the gift of queering contemplation, and much more. Visit Cassidy Hall at cassidyhall.com | IG: @casshall Visit Contemplify.com for shownoets.

Dr. Larry Ward is a senior teacher in Buddhist Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh's Plum Village tradition, the author of the book America's Racial Karma, and co-author with his wife, Peggy, of Love's Garden: A Guide To Mindful Relationships. Dr. Ward brings forty years of international experience in organizational change and local community renewal to his work at the Lotus Institute. He holds a PhD in Religious Studies with an emphasis on Buddhism and the neuroscience of meditation, and has trained at the Trauma Resource Institute. Dr. Ward and I talk about humanity’s greatest weakness, learning from our teachers, the impact of fragrance as a teaching metaphor and so much more. Visit Dr. Larry Ward at thelotusinstitute.org | IG: @thelotus_institute Visit Contemplify.com

David James Duncan is the author of the classic novels The River Why and The Brothers K, the story collection River Teeth, the nonfiction collection and National Book Award finalist, My Story as Told by Water, the best-selling collection of “churchless sermons," God Laughs & Plays. And lest we forget his latest, and what some have called his magnum opus, Sun House. Sun House has a reserved shelf space on my heart for the rest of my days. A winged book with scraped knee mountain poetics, spiritual charisma bathed in creek water, and characters that I am still in conversation with to this day. In our wide-ranging conversation we talk about Sun House, Meister Eckhart and the Beguines, his band of spiritual rednecks, and so much more. Visit David James Duncan at davidjamesduncan.com Visit Contemplify.com

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