Office Matters: The BCO Podcast

The office market is navigating one of the most profoundperiods of change in its history, yet according to office renaissance advocate Dan Carey, the biggest challenge facing the sector isn't capital, construction costs or hybrid working. It's mindset.In the latest episode of Office Matters, BCO chief executiveSamantha McClary sits down with Carey to discuss his two-decade journey through the office market, the creation of Founders Faction, and why the industry's future depends on collaboration, entrepreneurial thinking and empowering thenext generation of leaders.A major theme of the conversation is Carey’s belief in thepower of fractionalisation - breaking down traditional business structures and allowing organisations to access specialist expertise only when they need it.He argues that today's market conditions demand a differentapproach. With capital costs high, development activity constrained and occupier expectations evolving, businesses need access to flexible expertise rather than large fixed teams.This philosophy led to the creation of Founders Faction, anetwork of specialists brought together to help owners, operators and occupiers solve complex real estate challenges through collaboration rather than hierarchy.For Carey, the traditional models that got the industry towhere it is today may not be enough to take it where it needs to go next.Throughout the discussion, Carey repeatedly returns to onebelief: success is rarely the result of a single person.Drawing comparisons with sporting icons such as MichaelJordan and Wayne Gretzky, he argues that even the most talented individuals only achieve greatness when supported by the right people around them.The key is understanding where your strengths lie, recognising where others can add greater value and putting ego aside for the benefit of the wider team.The sector, he suggests, has become accustomed to doingthings a certain way. Real transformation only happens when people are willing to challenge long-held assumptions, embrace new approaches and remain open to change.As he explains throughout the conversation, changingbehaviours starts with changing the way we think.Carey is particularly passionate about supporting emergingtalent and praises initiatives such as the BCO's NextGen programme for helping create opportunities for younger professionals.For an industry facing rapid technological change, evolvingworkplace expectations and increasing pressure to deliver sustainable outcomes, nurturing new voices has never been more important.The BCO’s Office Matters podcast often explores the futureof workplaces, but this episode focused on something arguably more important: the people shaping that future.This is a conversation about leadership, entrepreneurshipand the future operating model of real estate. Most importantly, it's a reminder that if offices are being reinvented, the industry must be willing toreinvent how it works, how it collaborates, how it develops talent and, most importantly, must be willing to shift its mindset.Why? Because the future of the office depends as much on how people think as on the buildings they create.Listen in for more on:Why the office renaissance is already well underwayFractionalisation may be the key to a truly collaborativesectorThe importance of empowering the next generation of leader todayWhy mindset is the biggest challenge and opportunity our sector has 

What makes a building truly successful?In the latest episode of Office Matters, Samantha McClary talks to John Wright, senior vice president of the BCO, architect, ESG champion and chair of the BCO Annual Conference 2027 to find out.Together they explore why the future of real estate lies beyond the building itself. Why the future lies in Urban Alchemy.From his early career in architecture to his leadership role at employee-owned B Corp practice Stride Treglown, Wright explains how sustainability, social value and placemaking have become central to his thinking.Wright describes how he went from growing up in North Devon to a career in workplace design and sustainability and reflects on how involvement with the BCO began with his very first office project when he was handed a copy of the BCO Guide to Specification.He also sets out the thinking behind the theme - Urban Alchemy: Places, People and Progress -  for next year’s BCO Annual Conference, which takes place in Paris between 28 and 30 June. The conversation covers Paris’s lead in timber and bio-based construction, the parallels between London’s Canary Wharf and Paris’s La Défense and the challenge of getting through a conference without saying the “O word”.This is a conversation about cities, workplaces, positive impact and the opportunity for real estate to create places that people genuinely value.Listen in for more on why:Success should be judged on whether a building is used, loved and uplifting, not only on its financial return;Good buildings reach beyond their red line and help regenerate the places around them;Appropriate, well-briefed design often beats the most expensive option money can buy;Value should be measured more broadly, with the environment and stakeholders considered alongside pounds;You should all be booking a ticket to the BCO Annual Conference 2027 in Paris

In this episode of the BCO's Office Matters Podcast, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with Alla Elmahadi and Peter Joaki, two finalists in the BCO NextGen Ideas Competition, to discuss their journeys, inspirations and ambitions ahead of the competition's grand finale on 22 October.Drawing on careers spanning architecture, workplace design and project management, both explain how real industry challenges inspired them to develop ideas aimed at creating meaningful change within the built environment. While keeping the details of their proposals under wraps, they reveal how the competition has provided a unique platform to test new thinking, challenge established norms and connect with like-minded professionals.The conversation also explores the intensive public speaking and leadership coaching delivered Ginger Leadership Communications, with Elmahadi and Joaki both reflecting on how storytelling, authenticity and confidence can transform not only presentations but also everyday professional communication. Alongside expert mentoring, the programme has helped them refine their ideas while building valuable networks across the industry.But as both Elmahadi and Joaki say, the BCO Ideas Competition is more than just an event, it is a live example of the power of collaboration, community and innovation and offers an inspiring insight into how the next generation of industry professionals are stepping forward with bold ideas and a determination to make a lasting impact on the future of work and the built environment.Don’t you want to be part of the conversation? Of course you do. Join us on 22 October by securing your ticket here: https://www.bco.org.uk/product/bco-ideas-competition-finalist-showcaseListen in to:Gain an exclusive preview of the innovative thinking emerging from the next generation of built environment leaders.Discover how storytelling, mentoring and public speaking skills can accelerate personal and professional growth.Be inspired by two passionate professionals using ideas, collaboration and creativity to drive positive change across the industry. Huge thanks to the BCO’s NextGen Ideas Competition supporters, including platinum partner Knight Frank and gold partners Hawkins\Brown and NCG Global.

In the second of our trilogy of special BCO Office Matterspodcasts, host Samantha McClary continues her journey behind the scenes of the BCO Next Gen Ideas Competition, introducing listeners to finalists Stephin Abraham of Gensler and Ewan Howell of Arup, alongside judge Kathryn Cripps ofKnight Frank. As anticipation builds towards the competition final, theconversation explores the diverse backgrounds and perspectives shaping the next generation of industry leaders. From computational design, data and AI-driven innovation to engineering solutions that address the challenges facing thebuilt environment, the finalists discuss what inspired them to put their ideas forward and how the competition has helped them refine their thinking. A recurring theme throughout the discussion is personalgrowth. Abraham and Howell reflect on the value of the mentoring and presentation coaching provided through the competition, including the now-infamous experience of being “JoJo’d” by the team at Ginger Leadership Communications. Together they share how learning to craft a compelling storyhas challenged them to think differently about communication, influence and leadership. With practical advice from Cripps - who has herself been “Gingered” - this episode captures the excitement, nerves and optimism that surround the competition while highlighting the power of fresh thinking, confidence andcollaboration in shaping the future of the workplace.Get your own experience of the power of a well-crafted storyby joining us at the NextGen Ideas Competition finale on 22 October. You can secure your ticket here: https://www.bco.org.uk/product/bco-ideas-competition-finalist-showcaseListen in to:Explore how AI could reshape the future of the built environment, as finalists Stephin Abraham and Ewan Howell share innovative ideas on harnessing data, automation and artificial intelligence to solve industry challenges.Gain practical insight into the opportunities and risks of AI adoption, from improving decision-making and design processes to helping create smarter, more efficient and more resilient workplaces.Hear honest reflections on leadership, storytelling and public speaking, with lessons that apply far beyond the competition stage. Huge thanks to the BCO’s NextGen Ideas Competitionsupporters, including platinum partner Knight Frank and gold partners Hawkins\Brown and NCG Global.

In this episode of the Office Matters podcast, BCO chiefexecutive Samantha McClary speaks with BCO NextGen Ideas Competition finalists Ben Mead  of Cundall and Leelou Coppleman of OD Group ahead of the competition’s grand finale on 22 October.The pair share what motivated them to enter the programme,the excitement of being shortlisted, and the challenge of preparing to present their ideas on a major industry stage.The conversation explores the transformative journey of thecompetition, from developing an initial concept to refining it through expert mentoring and intensive public speaking coaching.Without giving too much of their presentations away, Meadshares his ambition to better connect sustainability with commercial decision-making in the office sector, while Coppleman discusses the need to bring sustainability considerations to the forefront of design and procurementprocesses.Beyond the ideas themselves, this episode highlights theunique power of mentorship, collaboration and personal growth. Both finalists reflect on stepping outside their comfort zones, learning valuable communication skills and gaining confidence in sharing their vision for a moresustainable built environment.What this discussion really is, however, is a showcase ofthe passion, innovation and optimism of the next generation of industry leaders.What this discussion does, is offer a compelling preview ofwhat promises to be a standout event for the sector. So, if you haven’t yet secured your ticket for the best and most inspiring event you’ll get the opportunity to attend this year, right that wrong by booking your ticket here: https://www.bco.org.uk/product/bco-ideas-competition-finalist-showcaseWe promise you won’t regret it.Listen in:For an exclusive preview of innovative sustainability ideas that could help shape the future of the builtenvironment.To hear firsthand how mentoring and public speaking coaching can transform careers, ideas and confidence.To be inspired by the passion and ambition of emerging industry talent determined to create meaningful change.Huge thanks to the BCO’s NextGen Ideas Competitionsupporters, including platinum partner Knight Frank and gold partners Hawkins\Brown and NCG Global.

The commercial real estate industry spends a huge amount of time asking what occupiers want. But according to architect and strategist Fakhry Akkad, we're still missing the point.In this fascinating episode of Office Matters, Akkad, founder of architectural practice Manufacturing Taste, argues that while the sector has become highly effective at refining the supply side of the equation - designing better buildings, improving specifications and adding ever more amenities - it has paid far less attention to understanding the people those spaces are ultimately for.Drawing on lessons from consumer brands, retail strategy and behavioural psychology, Akkad explores how developers can move beyond simply following market trends and instead shape demand through meaning, identity and storytelling. From the campaign to save the former London College of Fashion building to the industry's ongoing obsession with amenity arms races, he challenges conventional thinking and asks whether real estate has become trapped in an echo chamber of its own making.This is a conversation about culture, consumer behaviour and competitive advantage. Most importantly, it's a reminder that people don't fall in love with products. They connect with stories, values and experiences. The workplaces that succeed in the future may be those that understand that best.Listen in to:Learn why developers should think more like consumer brands and less like commodity providers.Discover why amenities alone are no longer enough to differentiate a workplace.Hear a powerful argument for putting culture, meaning and human behaviour at the heart of real estate strategy.Enjoy!

In the latest episode of the BCO's Office Matters podcast host Samantha McClary sits down with Suzan Ucmaklioglu, architect and inclusive design specialist at Foster + Partners, for a candid conversation about what it really means to design inclusively.Ucmaklioglu explains the philosophy of "with, not for" - designing alongside the people who will use a space, not assuming their needs. She shares striking findings from Foster + Partners' Spaces for Inclusion research, developed with Disordinary Architecture, including how something as simple as a missing bench can drain a person's energy before they even reach a meeting.This powerful conversation covers everything from architecture education's blind spots, the power of language, and Suzan's own personal journey growing up with a wheelchair-using father.It's a warm, honest, and genuinely eye-opening listen. And one that comes with a little important homework for every listener.Listen in to:Rethink what "accessible" actually means. Compliance is a starting point, not the finish line. A building can tick every code box and still fail real users. Find out why treating accessibility as a design driver, not a checklist, produces better buildings for everyone.Discover how small interventions have outsized impact. Research across four completed Foster + Partners buildings found that entrances, toilets, and communal "urban rooms" are where inclusive design succeeds or fails most and that something as simple as adding rest spaces changes how welcome people feel in a scheme.Find out why the whole delivery chain needs to be involved. From developers and investors to fit-out teams and leasing agents, everyone shaping a building's design and operation influences who can actually use it. It’s time to make inclusive design a shared responsibility across the entire real estate value chain.You can find out more about the Space for Inclusion project by watching this film:: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV8LIlcgOpg

What do you get when you combine a passion for workplaceprojects, a talent for problem solving and a determination to make sustainability more tangible?Lauren Lemcke.In this latest episode of the BCO Office Matters Podcast,BCO chief executive Samantha McClary sits down BCO NextGen Ideas Competition winner, AECOM's Lauren Lemcke, to talk about careers, carbon, confidence and the power of agood idea.In this 30-minute recording we find out how Lemcke was ledinto quantity surveying by an inspiring mentor, is now on a mission to inspire others to build a career in the sector, and find out more about her BCO NextGen Ideas Competition-winning CarbonLegacy concept and what, almost oneyear on, winning the competition has meant for her personally and professionally.If you missed Lemcke's powerful pitch at last year's event,her CarbonLegacy proposal seeks to tackle two challenges at once: reducing embodied carbon and creating meaningful social value. The idea is simple but powerful. By linking carbon savings to community investment, projects can be rewarded not only for doing the right thing environmentally, but for creating a positive legacy in the places where they operate.But the Ideas Competition isn't just about having a greatidea, it is about bringing it to life and in this episode Lemcke shares her inside knowledge on the process of taking an idea from a rough concept to a TED-style presentation, the value of mentoring and public speaking training, and how the NextGen Ideas Competition has opened doors to new opportunities, industry connections and greater confidence.Listen in to:Discover the story behind CarbonLegacy, the innovative idea connecting embodied carbon reduction with measurable social value. Hear a fresh perspective on quantity surveying, and why cost consultants are more critical than ever in delivering viable, sustainable workplaces.Be inspired by Lemcke’s NextGen journey, from firstentering the competition to becoming a mentor helping the next wave of industry talent.Enjoy!

The narrative around AI and the workplace is often framed asa threat to office demand, but the data tells a very different story. In this episode of the BCO’s Office Matters podcast, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary sits down with CoStar's, Patrick Scanlon, to explore why AI firms are becoming some of London's most active occupiers, what the latest leasing trendsreveal about the future of offices, and why location, connectivity and collaboration remain as important as ever.From the rise of AI clusters to the hidden signals buried in market data, Scanlon shares a data-led perspective on where the workplace market is heading next. Listen in for more on:Why AI is creating office demand, not destroying itContrary to predictions that AI would reduce the need forworkplaces, CoStar's data shows a sharp increase in office take-up from pure-play AI companies. Scanlon highlights a tenfold increase in take-up between February and April, with firms taking significant space and, in many cases, committing to long-term occupation in London and other leading UKinnovation hubs. The real trend is a flight to location, not just qualityWhile "flight to quality" has dominated workplace discussions in recent years, Scanlon argues the stronger driver is geography. Occupiers continue to prioritise well-connected city-centre locations with strong amenities, talent pools and transport links. Prime buildings matter, but being in the right place matters even more. Data tells the story—but context mattersOne of Scanlon's key messages is that market data should never be viewed in isolation. Sentiment surveys, headlines and market narratives can paint a misleading picture. By combining real-time data with conversations across the market, analysts can identify genuine inflection points and emerging trends, helping businesses make better long-term decisions in an increasingly uncertain environment. And yes, while the name of our podcast may have changed, we promise the quality of the conversation hasn’t. Enjoy.

In this episode of Workspace Unwired, BCO chief executive Samantha McClary is joined by Tobi Crosbie, founder and chief executive of Making Moves, to explore how occupier expectations are reshaping the office market. From building his business from scratch to advising clientsacross London, Crosbie shares candid insights into what today’s organisations really want from their workplaces and why.The conversation highlights a clear shift in how officedecisions are made, with C-suite leaders now more directly involved in shaping spaces that drive productivity, attract talent and reflect company culture. As hybrid working continues to evolve, Crosby explains why the traditionalopen-plan office is being rethought in favour of more flexible, human-focused environments.Ultimately, this episode paints a picture of an industryadapting quickly, where experience, design and service matter more than ever in creating workplaces people genuinely want to return to.Listen in for key insights on why: The occupier is firmly in controlDecision-making has shifted to the C-suite, with a sharp focus on productivity, culture and employee experience.Workplace design is becoming more humanThere’s a growing demand for quieter, more flexible environments alongside collaborative space.Service and experience now rival locationInspired by serviced offices, occupiers expect higher-quality, hospitality-style environments across all building types.Enjoy!