In the Church Library

Send a textJoin Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life.Things mentioned in the episode: -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2-Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel within First-Century Judaism, by: Paul T. Sloan-Anselm's Cur Deus Homo-Hannah Bowman's  article From Substitution to Solidarity: Towards an Abolitionist Atonement Theology-Peter Leithart's critique of Andrew's book-Andrew's response to Peter's critiqueFind Andrew on X/Twitter and Bluesky***Episode Chapter Markers: 3:21—Andrew's bio/introduction6:23—Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) defined22:20—Is PSA "the Gospel"?47:28—Significance of the "washing" imagery in the sacrificial system57:13—Where did we go wrong with our understanding of this imagery?1:01:22—What are the implications for parenting?1:18:43—Discussion of recent social media conversation on PSA & critiques of Andrew's book***Connect with Marissa & Kelsey across social mediaMarissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookPreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library as they answer your questions. In this final episode for S1, they answer: 12:52 Q: Could you describe the survey process you used?22:44 Q: Where on the theological/denominational spectrum do most of these resources fall? What about your book? What about your biases?36:25 Q: Can you speak to the parallels between authoritarian parenting and penal substitutionary atonement (PSA)? 38:25 Q:How as research/writing/podcasting affected your parenting?50:08 Q: Have these resources set parents up for spiritual and emotional abuse? If so, how? You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookPreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss Nancy and Colin Campbell's Above Rubies ministries, as well as some of their resources—The Power of Motherhood and Be Fruitful and Multiply—and their connection to CCM's Newsboys.Mentioned in the episode: Orphan Fever: The Evangelical Movement's Adoption Obsession, by: Kathryn JoyceYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookPreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Tia Levings, author of the best-selling memoir A Well-Trained Wife: My Escape from Christian Patriarchy.Connect with Tia online: Facebook, Instagram, Threads, SubstackYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textContent Warning: This episode contains discussion of child mistreatment, abuse, and death. Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book To Train Up A Child, by: Michael and Debi Pearl.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Sunita Theiss to discuss neurodiversity in faith communities and familiesConnect with Sunita online: Instagram, LinkedIn, SubstackMentioned in the conversation:--Use code LIBRARY for a discount for her upcoming workshop and Q&A: Parenting PDA Children with Grace & Hope:  A Christian Perspective on Understanding, Supporting, and Raising PDA Children (8/14/25 at 9AMPT/12ET)--Use SUNITA15 for $15 off low demand parent coaching now through 8/31/25. Learn more about Sunita's work with Amanda Diekman's team and schedule a free intro call here. --Accessible Church: A Gospel-Centered Vision for Including People with Disabilities and Their Families, by: Sandra Peoples--Dr. David and Amanda Erickson of Flourishing Homes and Families and their new book The Flourishing Family--Key Ministry resources and conference--Kim Botto's work--With MinistriesYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Bookshop Amazon Barnes&Noble PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the book Parenting: 14 Gospel Principles That Can Radically Change Your Family, by: Paul David Tripp.You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! This week, Barnes & Noble is offering 25% off preorders with the code PREORDER25.PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Pieter Valk of Equip Ministries to discuss James Dobson's Bringing Up Boys, masculinity, and the implications of popular Christian parenting teaching for LGBT+ people.Connect with Pieter online: Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, TwitterMentioned in our conversation: Equip's Parent CourseYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library to discuss the Growing Kids God's Way parenting empire. In Part 2, we discuss how Gary and Anne Marie came to be popular Christian parenting experts, their curricula Growing Kids God's Way, and the controversy surrounding their methods. For more reading on the Ezzos, see http://ezzo.info/"The Parent Trap," by: Jensen Davis takes an in-depth look at the Ezzos' approachYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now. 

Send a textJoin Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Catherine McNiel and Jason Hague, authors of the book Mid-Faith Crisis: Finding a Path Through Doubt, Disillusionment, and Dead Ends.Connect with Catherine online: Bluesky, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, Twitter/XConnect with Jason online: FacebookYou can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media:Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, FacebookKelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, FacebookAnd Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold! Sign-up form for pre-order bonuses coming soon!PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now.