After the Deluge

My guests are Mike Kinsella and Steve Lamos of American Football, who put out their fourth self-titled LP earlier this year. We talk about being rewritten into a history they weren’t part of, Nick Drake, Bright Eyes (because I shoehorn it in), American Football as a minimalist project, Pinback/Mogwai/Tortoise, how they wrote then vs. how they write now, the neuroscience of syncopation, the GQ profile from earlier this year, the Top-200 Emo Albums of All Time, The Tony Kornheiser Show, and the confluence of sports and indie music. And more of course! AF: https://www.americanfootballmusic.com/Me: instagram.com/routinelayup

Claire Carusillo is the author of The Responsible Party (out Aug. 11) and co-owner of Storyboard—a book shore/skate shop in Midway, UT. We talk about Baller*na Farm turning the town into a Tradwife Mecca, her family’s real-life shipwreck history, hot tub maintenance, bunking up in a lighthouse, how Ch*tGPT has ruined Reality TV recaps, writing at the crack of dawn, and the book coming out very very soon. - instagram.com/clocarus- instagram.com/storyboardmidway- instagram.com/routinelayupGet the book: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250408631/theresponsibleparty/

The original Jackson Browne interview just got hit with a c*pyright strike, so here's a video version without the song clips. Originally aired in 2023. Our guest on the Season One finale is Jackson Browne (!) and we talk about his whole career, from writing "These Days" at 16 up to his latest record, Downhill From Everywhere. Reach me at [email protected] TO THE FULL JACKSON BROWNE SEASONhttps://www.patreon.com/collection/168312:00 - The Dreamer 7:20 - “I can’t write a song that simple” 10:00 - “Somebody’s Baby” & simple songs 13:00 - Describing life to yourself is a cool job 16:45 - The ocean is downhill from everywhere 20:00 - Sylvia Earle and the Blue Heart of the planet 23:00 - "We need the ocean to survive"22:45 - Coming down from acid and getting a song idea on the freeway 32:00 - Jamming with Greg Copeland and Greg Leisz 36:00 - The invaluable nature of session musicians (and how Jackson treats them) 41:45 - Me sharing an dorky story about a Jackson Browne show 43:25 - Playing acoustic and why have 10 guitars up there 49:30 - Are guitar solos dead? 52:45 - On Phoebe Bridgers, Dawes, Tal Wilkenfeld, and other young artists 54:20 - The last lines of "These Days" explained

Jonathan Bernstein is a Senior Research Editor for Rolling Stone and author of the new book What Do You Do When You’re Lonesome? — the authorized biography of Justin Townes Earle. You can buy it now. We talk about the night we learned of Justin's death, songs about heroin and crack, writing descriptively about finger picking, Justin made his father the villain, the last quarter-century of roots music, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, fashion, self-sabotage, Chicago, "Movin' On," writing a book about someone who bends the truth and/or lies, Justin's childhood, the post-CD-pre-streaming era, "Mama's Eyes," and finally Jonathan's favorite JTE record. Get the book! https://www.dacapopress.com/titles/jonathan-bernstein/what-do-you-do-when-youre-lonesome/9780306833274/ --x.com/routinelayupx.com/jonbern

Chris DeVille is Managing Editor at Stereogum and author of the book Such Great Heights, available for preorder now. We talk about the 2007 Bon Iver debut album, For Emma, Forever Ago. Also going cabin-mode in the Wisconsin winter, this album's lore, the indie landscape in '08, Pitchfork kingmaking, The OC, Garden State, Popt*mism, gentrifying indie music, hearing "Skinny Love" at my bad recession-era office job, "Flume" as a thesis, stacking falsetto harmonies, the lyrics, staring out windows at crows, Sable, bass-fishing boats, "Re: Stacks" and final tracks, cooking with minimal ingredients, Blood Bank EP, the pursuit of hipness and the evolution of indie rock. Order Chris's book.Blood Bank EP episode is live now on Patreon: patreon.com/afterthedeluge--Justin: x.com/routinelayup / routinelayup.bsky.socialChris: x.com/chrisdeville / chrisdeville.bsky.social/

Season 4 of After the Deluge will go album by album through the Bon Iver discography with a new guest on each episode, starting in the cabin with For Emma, Forever Ago and going in all kinds of directions from there. Subscribe an tell a friend. Support the show, get a zine. For Emma episode is live now: patreon.com/afterthedeluge--@routinelayup

Michele Catalano has posted prolifically about music on the internet for years. She’s 62 years old and recently launched ihavethatonvinyl.com. We talk seeking out new music as we age, classic rock, new wave, 2015 was a bad music year for her, she bought her new website’s domain in 2004 and forgot she had it, writing about her record collection, Songs for the Deaf, Brand New, Covid collecting, any regretful purges of records?, we’re bullish on CDs, Aztec Camera, her favorite Beatles album, a diabolical record-organizing system, Kevin Devine, the best music years of our lives, The Doors, is Eric Clapton about to have a moment?, Yacht Rock, the Weezer discography, deactivating her Twitter, humans sharing music with humans, and what she has in store for the site: ihavethatonvinyl.com/[email protected]@routinelayup.bsky.socialSUPPORT THIS SHOW, GET A ZINE: patreon.com/c/afterthedeluge

Longmont Potion Castle is a beloved recording artist and anonymous prank caller from Colorado. Interview starts at 11 mins. We talk about touring-band soundtracks, flipwild, deep and uncontrollable laughter, bruschotti, piglets, “After the Deluge” by Sodom, his daily conversation style, the Longmont documentary, whether his calls are mean-spirited, squid sandwiches, Otis, he’s not a comedian, a complete Darwinian society, his funky relationship with language, a feral bodybuilder, looping effects, his childhood court-ordered therapy, calling celebrities like Alex Tr*beck, LPC III, music industry evolution/devolution, Spot*fy, what are nü metal DJs doing when they scratch those records?, monetizing weird stuff, new Longmont incoming, we call my friend Matthew, Squid on my Side, Yucatan Suckerman, and the hottest new fusion band out of Colorado. Thanks to Travis and Tony for joining me for the intro. We recorded this the day before LA caught fire and we send all of our best to the city. LONGMONT  longmontpotioncastle.com x.com/LongmontPotion JUSTIN x.com/routinelayup Instagram.com/routinelayup [email protected]

Dylan Tupper Rupert is the host of the podcast series, Groupies. It's the latest season of KCRW's Lost Notes. She's also Producer Emeritus for Bandsplain. We talk about birth control, the dawn of punk, a scandalous take on Cosmo in 1971, making a show about sexual relationships between rock stars and teens, that Cormac McCarthy Vanity Fair story, the vampiric energy of Jimmy Page, Pamela Des Barres, Dee Dee Keel, empowerment vs. exploitation, the mid-2000s Seattle scene, The Vera Project, The Lashes, her feelings about LA,  Blood Brothers, throwing a music fest on Orcas Island, and the Jackson Browne For Everyman house. Groupies is live now on your podcast app. Subscribe to After the Deluge Patreon and get extra stuff and a free zine mailed to your home: ⁠patreon.com/afterthedeluge⁠ - instagram.com/yaydylan - instagram.com/routinelayup

Jason Stewart is co-host of the podcast How Long Gone. We talk about foreplay in interviewing, lightweight counter-programming when everything's political, Ep. 50 with Willy Staley, listening to podcasts is Gen Z meditation, early Adam Carolla, The Mount Rushmore of Glendale Podcasters, not asking bands about their music, How Long Gone’s marketing strategy, the Snail Mail episode, Guns & Roses bassist Duff McKagan spiked his interview, comedians who talk like your high school friends, the current state of Twitter, Jason’s favorite nut, and roasting a chicken atop a bed of thick sourdough slices. (The episode descriptions for the show are a direct rip off of How Long Gone). SUPPORT ON PATREON & GET A ZINE--x.com/themjeansx.com/routinelayup