Manipulation and Control - Detangling IHOP-KC

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John Collins invites John Schell, a former member of Faith Assembly, to explore the personal and theological impacts of the group's doctrines. The conversation delves into topics such as the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship, healing ministries, and the anti-medicine stance adopted by Hobart Freeman's Faith Assembly. John Schell recounts how the group discouraged medical intervention, leading to numerous preventable deaths, and shares personal stories of individuals who suffered under the influence of the doctrine. The episode highlights how the doctrine of divine healing, along with positive confession practices, created an environment where individuals were pressured to deny their health conditions and refuse medical care in favor of faith healing.Throughout the episode, the host and guest critically analyze the harmful impact of the movement's extreme beliefs, particularly around healing and deliverance. The discussion brings out the complexities of leaving such movements, where indoctrination can blur reality and make it difficult to recognize the destructive nature of the group's teachings. John Schell emphasizes how his time in Faith Assembly shaped his faith journey and reflects on how the movement, through its emphasis on miracles and supernatural experiences, drew in many followers who were eager to witness divine intervention but were ultimately let down by unfulfilled promises.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John McKinnon's Podcast Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@hashemrhemaword John Collins and John McKinnon dive into a complex discussion about the historical intersections of religion, politics, and power, tracing how these elements have intertwined to influence the modern religious landscape. Beginning with the roots of Christian identity and early fundamentalism, they examine how various revivals, notably the Latter Rain movement, laid foundational ideas that later influenced groups in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). They provide insights into the darker aspects of this history, including the politicization of faith and the rebranding of ideological undercurrents over time, presenting a critique of movements that merge dominion theology with traditional beliefs. Throughout the conversation, they shed light on figures like William Branham and Charles Finney, exploring how their teachings contributed to the Latter Rain movement and subsequent ideologies. The hosts critique the ways revivals can blur the line between spiritual pursuit and social control, citing historical examples to underscore the potential dangers of such movements. The discussion concludes by emphasizing the importance of discernment, encouraging listeners to examine the historical context of these movements with a critical eye.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3KJohn and Cynthia discuss the historical and doctrinal complexities within Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, emphasizing how the focus on select spiritual gifts, particularly speaking in tongues, has sometimes overshadowed the broader scriptural intent behind spiritual gifts. They delve into various misconceptions about gifts like wisdom, mercy, and discernment, challenging ideas promoted in charismatic and Pentecostal circles. The conversation transitions into a discussion about the role of gifts in the early church versus today, where widespread literacy and technology shift the necessity of specific manifestations like speaking in tongues. John asks questions and shares feelings about the lasting relevance of all spiritual gifts in the modern era, while Cynthia highlights how a misunderstanding of scripture has led to distorted practices in some charismatic settings. They explore how historical enthusiasm, or anti-intellectualism, in church history has shaped modern movements, comparing early church needs to today’s global context. Ultimately, they argue for a deeper, scriptural understanding of all gifts, especially love, which Paul calls the greatest gift of all.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K Chino's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@chinodross John and Chinio discuss various issues surrounding cults, particularly those with legalistic and manipulative structures, such as Faith Assembly and similar groups led by figures like William Branham and Hobart Freeman. The conversation centers on the psychological and spiritual damage these movements cause, especially through their authoritarian control over members’ beliefs, language, and lives. They explore personal stories and theological critiques, illustrating the deep harm that occurs when leaders distort Christian teachings to impose burdensome and arbitrary rules on followers. There are also discussions about the revivalist roots of these movements and the eventual fragmentation that occurs after the leader’s death, causing further splintering and confusion among followers. Throughout, they reflect on personal experiences of leaving such movements and the lasting effects of spiritual abuse. They highlight how legalism, which focuses on works and behavior rather than grace, creates emotional and spiritual captivity, leaving members feeling isolated and under constant scrutiny. The hosts stress the importance of discerning genuine faith from manipulative religious control and encourage listeners to let go of unnecessary burdens imposed by these kinds of religious environments.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John invites Bob Scott, co-founder of Kansas City Fellowship, to discuss "prophets." They dive into the subject of modern prophetic movements and reflect on the complexities of those involved. Bob recalls how individuals within these groups, such as prophets, often blurred the line between prophecy and personal opinion, leading to manipulation and misunderstandings. Both John and Bob explore the psychological and spiritual elements that drive these leaders and their followers, discussing how human needs for guidance and validation often escalate leaders to a revered status. As they recount experiences, they highlight the personal and communal struggles these dynamics create, both for leaders and their followers. They discuss how movements, especially within Pentecostal and charismatic circles, create environments where the supernatural and the natural blur, leading to unhealthy spiritual dynamics. John and Bob share personal anecdotes that illustrate the cult-like tendencies within these environments. The conversation takes on a reflective tone as they express concern for the people caught in these systems, acknowledging both the real human needs and the dangers of exploiting spiritual authority. They also touch on historical precedents, drawing parallels between modern movements and past religious excesses.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John invites Andy and Lizzy Manley, former members of New Frontiers, to discuss their experiences with the group. Lizzy shares how her early faith journey in New Frontiers, which began with what seemed like genuine worship, led to disillusionment due to the shepherding practices that promoted strict submission. Over time, she experienced cognitive dissonance between her personal beliefs and the church's teachings, leading her to lose faith for nearly a decade. Andy discusses the theological rigidity and financial demands of the church, focusing on strict tithing policies and questionable leadership practices. Both Andy and Lizzy express frustration at how the church's emphasis on control, financial exploitation, and rigid hierarchies led them to question the authenticity of their spiritual experience. The conversation transitions into broader reflections on the New Apostolic Reformation and the structural similarities between movements like New Frontiers and other charismatic organizations. Both Andy and Lizzy emphasize how the misuse of spiritual authority and manipulation of believers for financial gain are rampant in these circles. They reflect on how these experiences, combined with emotional manipulation during worship services, distorted their understanding of faith and religion. The interview concludes with advice to current members of such groups, urging them to read the Bible independently and question teachings that seem manipulative or self-serving.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John and John McKennon explore the connections between Christian identity and fundamentalism, focusing on key figures like William Branham and Gordon Lindsay. The discussion reveals how movements like the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) were influenced by British Israelism and the Christian identity movement. Gordon Lindsay, often seen as a leader of charismatic movements, had deeper ties to controversial ideologies that are often ignored or erased by his later organizations. The hosts discuss the influence of Wesley Swift and Gerald Burton Winrod on Lindsay’s beliefs, particularly how British Israelism and UFO doctrines played a role in his ministry. The discussion also delves into Lindsay’s role in the Voice of Healing revivals, his work with prominent figures like William Branham, and his eventual shift away from more extremist ideologies as his ministry evolved into the creation of Christ for the Nations. The episode emphasizes the hidden history of these movements and the significant impact Lindsay had on the development of charismatic revivals.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John and Steve explore the intricate history and influence of fringe religious movements on the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). They begin by discussing Wesley Swift’s role in shaping esoteric doctrines, particularly his racist and anti-Semitic ideologies that were adopted by certain sects. John reflects on growing up within a religious movement that promoted such teachings and the shock of discovering their origins. The conversation delves into how figures like William Branham, Swift, and others have cross-pollinated their beliefs, ultimately influencing the development of the NAR. They also touch on how UFOs, pyramids, and ancient mysteries became integral to these groups’ teachings, blending theological, spiritual, and often racial concepts into a hybrid belief system. Throughout their discussion, John and Steve link historical ideologies, tracing them to modern religious movements and examining their ongoing impact. They uncover how the Manifest Sons of God movement, British Israelism, and Christian Identity have influenced today’s NAR. The hosts emphasize how extra-biblical texts and ongoing revelation serve as a foundation for many of these groups’ beliefs. By analyzing these key doctrines, they show how contemporary movements, while less overtly connected to racism, still draw from theological frameworks rooted in these controversial pasts.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K Chino's YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@chinodross John and Chino explore the teachings and practices of Hobart Freeman and William Branham, including strict rules within their movements. They compare the legalistic and authoritarian nature of these cults to broader religious contexts, focusing on topics such as professions, education, and social activities. Personal anecdotes enrich the dialogue, particularly about the struggles of individuals attempting to exit these groups and the long-lasting psychological impact. A recurring theme is the conflict between personal faith and cult-imposed restrictions. The conversation moves between personal stories and historical analysis, offering insights into the destructive power of religious control. As the speakers recount their own journeys, they delve into the contradictions within these movements, like the tension between freedom and control, and reflect on how cult leaders manipulate followers through fear and intimidation.

Support the show: https://www.patreon.com/branham Available on Spotify, Google, and Apple Podcasts: https://william-branham.org/podcast Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K John and Jed take a deep dive into the origins and effects of prophecy in HOPKC. The dialogue centers around the practice of using prophecy to control and influence followers, often by giving vague or grandiose predictions. The hosts compare how prophecies failed in movements like the International House of Prayer (IHOP) and the William Branham movement, focusing on how the leaders revise or reinterpret prophecies after they don’t come true. They explore the psychological effect of holding onto these beliefs, even when evidence shows they are false, drawing parallels to the analogy of peeling an onion—each layer reveals more falsehoods, but many find it difficult to let go of the core belief. Part of the conversation delves into personal experiences with failed prophecies, such as Pat Bickle’s unfulfilled healing prophecy, which was once used as a significant symbol of upcoming revival. They also discuss how fear and hope are key tools used by cult leaders to maintain control. The podcast moves toward a broader critique of prophecy-driven movements, suggesting that the destructive consequences far outweigh any perceived benefits, especially when it leads to emotional and psychological damage among believers.