31: [Cheryl Hunter] We Are Not Our Bodies

Content warning: sexual abuse and child sexual abuse. It has been a great honor to host Mike Sacks and Kelly Gee on What Came Next prior to this conversation. Kelly first shared his experiences of abuse in episodes 51 and 52, entitled “Against Big Odds” and “What Happens Next,” which aired in January of 2024. Episodes 109 and 110, entitled “Silence is an Incubator” and “Up to Us to Protect,” were released over a year later and highlight Mike’s abuse experiences with the same hockey coach nearly a decade prior to Kelly's abuse. The two men, united by sharing their experiences in the media and a similar mission to change the world, created a non-profit organization called Survivors for Change. In this special episode of What Came Next, both men join us again to share about their process of developing a revolutionary program for survivors and their support systems in the wake of their healing. The Broken Cycle Media team extends our immense gratitude to the Survivors for Change team; it’s survivors and organizations like them that will enable the vicious cycle to end. Survivors for Change: https://www.survivorsforchange.org/ Survivors for Change Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/ Survivors for Change Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/ Kelly Gee's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/goaliedr/ Mike Sacks's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/msackss4c/ [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-against-big-odds-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000640625590 [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000641401487 [Mike Sacks] Silence is an Incubator // Part 1 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-silence-is-an-incubator-part-1/id1674051643?i=1000689894186 [Mike Sacks] Up to Us to Protect // Part 2 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mike-sacks-up-to-us-to-protect-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000692173278 Resources: RAINN - Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network: https://rainn.org/ National Alliance on Mental Health: https://www.nami.org/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia. Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in her then-husband’s possession. However, at the start, Kim was not aware of all facets of his crimes. It would eventually take her years to learn everything, as well as to receive what closure the legal system offered. We are so grateful that Kim was willing to highlight all that continues to come next for her and her children, and that she is sharing her immense fortitude and strength with our audience today. Sources: Case Law summary | i. SORNA Requirements | Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. (n.d.). Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering, and Tracking. https://smart.ojp.gov/sorna/current-law/case-law/i-sorna-requirements International Megan’s Law of 2016 (P.L. 114-119) | U.S. Representative. (n.d.). https://chrissmith.house.gov/lawsandresolutions/international-megan-s-law.htm For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources. And don't forget to find Ice Cold Case wherever you listen to podcasts!

Content warning: child sexual abuse material, child sexual assault, sexual assault, nonconsensual pornography, sexual violence, sexual paraphilia, and pedophilia.  Kim is a mother and nurse from Indiana. She reached out to the Broken Cycle Media team in hopes of sharing her story for the first time to bring awareness to a trajectory she never thought she would have had to traverse. Nearly a decade into her marriage, her whole life changed with a home raid by the FBI and several other criminal justice forces. The organizations would consequently find a large catalogue of child sexual abuse material in her then-husband’s possession. However, at the start, Kim was not aware of all facets of his crimes. It would eventually take her years to learn everything, as well as to receive what closure the legal system offered. We are so grateful that Kim was willing to highlight all that continues to come next for her and her children, and that she is sharing her immense fortitude and strength with our audience today. For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget: to make this spring your most delicious yet with Green Chef, head to greenchef.com/50WCN and use code 50WCN to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months with free shipping! 

Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography. As shared in part one of her story, Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn’t find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive justice, witness legal change elicited by her and others’ experiences, and work to heal from the trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Hannah was willing to so selflessly share her story to bring awareness to our listeners. Sources: Allyn, B. (2024, February 15). Maker of Tinder, Hinge sued over “addictive” dating apps that put profits over love. NPR. https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/1231513991/tinder-hinge-match-group-lawsuit Dugdale, E., & Harjani, H. (2025, March 6). Rape under wraps: how Tinder, Hinge and their corporate owner chose profits over safety. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/13/tinder-hinge-match-investigation Maass, B. (2024, March 11). Colorado bill seeking to regulate dating apps passes through committee: “Something clearly has to be done.” CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/colorado-lawmakers-seek-regulate-dating-apps-following-cardiologist-case/ Maass, B. (2024, October 26). Cardiologist Stephen Matthews sentenced to 158 years for drugging, sexually assaulting Colorado women he met on dating apps. CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/stephen-matthews-sentenced-158-years-drugging-sexually-assaulting-women-met-dating-apps-cardiologist/ Online-Facilitated Misconduct & Remote Tracking | Colorado General Assembly. (n.d.). Colorado General Assembly. https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb24-011 Schweitzer, A. (2025, February 25). Online dating giant Match Group is slow to remove dangerous daters, investigation finds. NPR. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/21/nx-s1-5301046/match-group-dating-app-tinder-hinge-assault-cases-investigation https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/stephen-matthews-verdict/73-b3d763d5-5469-4852-a86a-e4c64d740ef7 For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: assault, sexual assault, rape, serial rape, and nonconsensual pornography.  Hannah Vanderhorst is a special education teacher and administrator living in Denver, Colorado. Having moved to the city in 2016, just before going through a breakup, Hannah turned to dating apps to expand her social circle and look for potential love. However, an October 2019 date changed her trajectory forever. It was on this date that she became a victim of a serial sexual predator, although she wouldn’t find that out until over three years after her assault. Hannah would then join a taxing legal battle to receive justice, witness legal change elicited by her and others’ experiences, and work to heal from the trauma. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Hannah was willing to so selflessly share her story to bring awareness to our listeners. Sources: Maass, B. (2024, October 26). Cardiologist Stephen Matthews sentenced to 158 years for drugging, sexually assaulting Colorado women he met on dating apps. CBS News. https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/stephen-matthews-sentenced-158-years-drugging-sexually-assaulting-women-met-dating-apps-cardiologist/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: abduction, kidnapping, violence, gun violence, robbery, assault, and murder. Crime House True Crime Stories is the ultimate destination for true crime fans. Every episode features two notorious cases from that week in crime history, tied by a common theme like infamous serial killers, mysterious disappearances, tragic murders, and more. Every Monday, uncover the full stories behind the headlines as host Vanessa Richardson takes you through high-profile investigations like the murder of Gabby Petito, the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart, and the mass suicide of the Heaven's Gate cult. Follow Crime House True Crime Stories — a Crime House Original — wherever you listen to podcasts.

Content warning: pedophilia, sexual sadism, paraphilia, psychopathy, brutality, child sexual abuse material, rape, sexual assault, torture, and murder. Joan Hoyt is a business professional and family woman from Santa Cruz, California. Although she has proudly served her county as a juror before, a 2024 jury duty assignment opened her eyes to the harsh realities of a criminal justice process she would have never thought was real prior. Her assignment included listening to the heartbreaking facts of Madyson Middleton’s gruesome 2015 murder, then deeming whether Madyson’s murderer should be released from juvenile incarceration in February of 2025, only ten years later. And when the jurors learned this process will occur every two years in perpetuity because of laws placed in effect after Madyson’s murder, Joan and her fellow jurors began using all they witnessed as fuel towards making legal change. The Broken Cycle Media team is so deeply grateful Joan was willing to share her unique perspective with us today, and that she continues to fight for justice for Madyson and so many others. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Madyson Middleton. Sources: California Supreme Court Upholds Law Protecting 14–15-Year-Olds from Transfer to Adult Court. (2022, July 27). National Center for Youth Law. https://youthlaw.org/news/california-supreme-court-upholds-law-protecting-14-15-year-olds-transfer-adult-court Chun, M. (2025, February 28). Juror in Gonzalez trial urges reform of state bill that prevented him from being charged as adult, allows repeat chances for release. Lookout Santa Cruz. https://lookout.co/juror-in-adrian-gonzalez-trial-urge-reform-of-state-bill-that-prevented-him-from-being-charged-as-adult-allows-repeat-chances-for-release/story Santa Cruz jury denies release of man convicted of murdering 8-year-old Maddy Middleton. (2025, February 20). ABC7 San Francisco. https://abc7news.com/post/maddy-middleton-death-santa-cruz-jury-denies-release-adrian-gonzalez-man-convicted-murdering-raping-8-year-old-girl/15934976/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: fraud and professional abuse. As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria’s diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors’ success. However, this is the first time Victoria will have shared at-large about all that she’s navigated in the process. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Victoria and Lauren’s time, energy, and care in walking us through what was a very layered battle for justice. Victoria's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/victorialatham Oliver Pluff & Co: http://www.oliverpluff.com Sources: Charleston man and business indicted in federal court in over $9M. (2019, May 15). https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud Neel, M. a. S. M. R. S. C. (2021, November 30). ARIN taking a hard line on fraud pays off in Precedent-Setting criminal trial and conviction. American Registry for Internet Numbers. https://www.arin.net/blog/2021/11/30/hard-line-fraud-pays-off/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources Thank you again to Green Chef for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to try the number one meal kit for eating well! Go to greenchef.com/wcnfree and use the code WCNFREE to get started with free salads for two months plus 50% off your first box. 

Content warning: fraud and professional abuse. As shared in part one of her story, Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria’s diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors’ success. However, this is the first time Victoria will have shared at-large about all that she’s navigated in the process. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Victoria and Lauren’s time, energy, and care in walking us through what was a very layered battle for justice. Sources: Charleston man and business indicted in federal court in over $9M. (2019, May 15). https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud Neel, M. a. S. M. R. S. C. (2021, November 30). ARIN taking a hard line on fraud pays off in Precedent-Setting criminal trial and conviction. American Registry for Internet Numbers. https://www.arin.net/blog/2021/11/30/hard-line-fraud-pays-off/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: fraud, professional abuse, child sexual abuse material, and gun violence.  Victoria Latham is an established professional living in South Carolina. At the encouragement of her friend Lauren (who will also be sharing her perspective on the following episodes), Victoria has joined us to share about her experiences working for a burgeoning technology company that collapsed after its founder was charged with and sentenced for twenty counts of wire fraud amounting to over nine million dollars. It was Victoria’s diligent evidence collection and courage to report that deeply contributed to prosecutors’ success. However, this is the first time Victoria will have shared at-large about all that she’s navigated in the process. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Victoria and Lauren’s time, energy, and care in walking us through what was a very layered battle for justice.  Sources: Charleston man and business indicted in federal court in over $9M. (2019, May 15). https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/pr/charleston-man-and-business-indicted-federal-court-over-9m-fraud Neel, M. a. S. M. R. S. C. (2021, November 30). ARIN taking a hard line on fraud pays off in Precedent-Setting criminal trial and conviction. American Registry for Internet Numbers. https://www.arin.net/blog/2021/11/30/hard-line-fraud-pays-off/ For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources