The Pomp Podcast

Andrew Parish and Tillman Holloway are the co-founders of Arch Public, a software platform that helps investors automate their trading strategies across crypto and traditional markets. In this conversation, we discuss why the US will keep printing money to fund AI infrastructure, how tokenization is about to reshape global markets and banking, why crypto becomes the default exchange layer in a 24/7 world, and how automation tools are now a necessity for every investor.=======================Award-winning Fountain Life - Energy supercharged. Memory sharper. Life extended. Ready for the best investment you’ll ever make? Schedule a life-changing call at http://fountainlife.com/pompGet $1,000 off the cost of a life-changing membership with Fountain Life when you schedule a call at https:www.http://fountainlife.com/pomp=======================Bitget (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew) is the world's largest Universal Exchange (UEX) (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew), serving over 125 million users with access to over 2M+ crypto tokens, and TradFi markets such as 100+ tokenized stocks, ETFs, commodities, FX and precious metal like Gold. At launch, users can trade 79 instruments with USDT directly with the App. Users can also enjoy high liquidity and low slippage, while trading these assets with up to 500x leverage. For more information on Bitget TradFi, visit this article (https://bitget.com/support/articles/12560603846859). For more information, visit: Website (https://bitget.com/) | Twitter (https://x.com/bitget) | Telegram (https://t.me/BitgetENOfficial) | LinkedIn (https://linkedin.com/company/bitget-global/) | Discord (https://discord.com/invite/bitget)For media inquiries, please contact: [email protected]=======================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.=======================0:00 - Intro1:05 - AI infrastructure, dollar printing & national security5:37 - Crypto's role: stablecoins, bitcoin, or tokenization?7:57 - Why volatility is only going to get worse13:26 - AI agents & crypto as the default exchange layer15:40 - Tokenization race & the banking revenue opportunity21:55 - Fractional assets & borrowing against tokenized holdings26:41 - Hyperliquid, private company tokenization & M&A outlook29:50 - Pros/cons of open markets & financial education 32:40 - Prediction markets, tokenized ETFs & the war for capital34:23 - Arch Public: what it does & where to find it

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down why all-time highs in the stock market are flashing warning signs, how the Iran conflict is fueling a longer inflation cycle, why the AI semiconductor boom may be hitting near-term bottlenecks, and what Dogecoin is quietly signaling about the next crypto move.=====================Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.=====================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.=====================0:00 - Intro0:40 - Stock market all-time highs & what's driving them4:29 - Iran conflict, oil prices & inflation outlook9:43 - What comes next for markets?19:30 - Jensen Huang's 1000x energy demand & AI infrastructure27:40 - Data center opposition & political headwinds30:43 - Dogecoin as a retail sentiment signal37:00 - Trump's China trip — signal or show?41:31 - GameStop's eBay bid & digital activist investing49:40 - Jordi’s upcoming video 

Asher Genoot is the CEO of Hut 8, one of the largest bitcoin mining and AI/HPC infrastructure companies in the world. In this conversation, we discuss the transition from bitcoin mining to AI data center development, the economics of $17 billion in contract value, community pushback against data centers, supply chain bottlenecks, and the future of physical intelligence infrastructure.=====================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp=====================Award-winning Fountain Life - Energy supercharged. Memory sharper. Life extended. Ready for the best investment you’ll ever make? Schedule a life-changing call at http://fountainlife.com/pompGet $1,000 off the cost of a life-changing membership with Fountain Life when you schedule a call at https:www.http://fountainlife.com/pomp=====================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.=====================0:00 - Intro0:45 - Bitcoin mining to AI: the transition3:09 - Data centers & community pushback8:52 - Co-location & energy campuses 11:42 - Mega sites vs. smaller urban campuses13:08 - Hardware innovation inside the data center17:15 - How Hut 8 lands billion-dollar contracts20:01 - The River Bend financing structure24:19 - Build vs. acquire strategy25:18 - Bottlenecks slowing AI buildout27:36 - What keeps Asher up at night30:40 - American Bitcoin update

Anthony Pompliano investigates whether bitcoin can actually hit $1 million per coin. In this episode, we break down what Michael Saylor, Cathie Wood, Tim Draper, and others are predicting, run the math on what it would take, and cover the four key demand drivers that could get us there.===================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.===================0:00 - Intro0:26 - Michael Saylor: Bitcoin to $10 million1:05 - Tim Draper: Bitcoin to $10 million1:47 - Cathie Wood: Bitcoin to $1.5 million by 20304:07 - Adam Back: Bitcoin to $1 million by 20284:39 - Matthew Siegel: Bitcoin to $1 million in ~5 years6:08 - Eric Trump: Conviction on $1 million bitcoin6:57 - The math: What growth rate does bitcoin need?9:26 - The 4 drivers that get bitcoin to $1 million9:41 - Driver 1: The bear market bottom (Lynn Alden)11:05 - Driver 2: Governments buying bitcoin (Brian Armstrong)12:05 - Driver 3: Institutional adoption (Dylan LeClair)13:59 - Driver 4: Money printing & retail demand15:10 - Final verdict: Can Bitcoin hit $1 million?

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we break down why parabolic AI stocks are justified by real demand, who's actually buying bitcoin and why it's heading higher, the tokenization wave coming this summer, and the stocks Jordi is buying and selling right now.=====================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.=====================Simple Mining makes Bitcoin mining simple and accessible for everyone. We offer a premium white glove hosting service, helping you maximize the profitability of Bitcoin mining. For more information on Simple Mining or to get started mining Bitcoin, visit https://www.simplemining.io/pomp=====================Bitget (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew) is the world's largest Universal Exchange (UEX) (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew), serving over 125 million users with access to over 2M+ crypto tokens, and TradFi markets such as 100+ tokenized stocks, ETFs, commodities, FX and precious metal like Gold. At launch, users can trade 79 instruments with USDT directly with the App. Users can also enjoy high liquidity and low slippage, while trading these assets with up to 500x leverage. For more information on Bitget TradFi, visit this article (https://bitget.com/support/articles/12560603846859). For more information, visit: Website (https://bitget.com/) | Twitter (https://x.com/bitget) | Telegram (https://t.me/BitgetENOfficial) | LinkedIn (https://linkedin.com/company/bitget-global/) | Discord (https://discord.com/invite/bitget)For media inquiries, please contact: [email protected]=====================0:00 - Intro1:14 - Why parabolic moves in AI stocks are justified5:18 - Data center buildout & the obsolescence race11:34 - DRAM ETF & AI volatility20:56 - Data center protests, supply bottlenecks, & inflation28:54 - AI-driven layoffs — cover story or real?32:12 - Michael Saylor, bitcoin & who's actually buying35:19 - Blackrock ETF at all-time highs & boomer buying37:21 - Why long duration assets are dead39:25 - Tokenization & the Iran war41:40 - New Fed chair, oil & macro outlook46:35 - AI in grocery stores & dynamic pricing49:21 - Wealth inequality & discretionary spending51:47 - Long-term investing advice & stocks Jordi is looking at57:50 - Jordi’s video this week

Chris Perkins is the incoming Head of Crypto at Franklin Templeton, following the acquisition of his firm 250 Digital Asset Management. In this conversation, we break down the surge in crypto hacks, why AI is accelerating cyber threats, the case for American "privateering" as an offensive strategy against crypto crime, how geopolitics and macro are shaping bitcoin markets, and what institutions are actually buying in crypto right now.======================Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.======================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.======================0:00 - Intro1:17 - The crypto hack crisis & AI-driven cyber threats4:17 - America going on offense: the privateering idea9:10 - AI capabilities & the US advantage in cyber warfare12:22 - Crypto regulation: where do things stand in DC?17:20 - Bitcoin's role in macro & geopolitics21:36 - Bitcoin vs. stocks: decoupling during the Iran conflict24:46 - Franklin Templeton's crypto strategy & what comes next28:56 - Quantum computing: should crypto be worried?30:20 - Stablecoins & how institutions are approaching them33:52 - Buying bitcoin vs. infrastructure equity vs. trading exposure35:47 - The Fed, rate cuts, & what it means for crypto prices

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we discuss why the stock market keeps hitting all-time highs, the AI-driven semiconductor supercycle, why software is losing to chips and power names, where bitcoin fits into the macro picture, the rise of tokenization, and how to think about inflation and the Fed.=======================Consensus Miami is the largest crypto conference in the world — May 5-7, 2026 in Miami. 20,000 attendees. 72% director-level or above. The deals, partnerships, and investments that shape the next cycle get made here. Use code POMPLIANO for 25% off your pass → https://go.coindesk.com/c26pomp=======================Award-winning Fountain Life - Energy supercharged. Memory sharper. Life extended. Ready for the best investment you’ll ever make? Schedule a life-changing call at http://fountainlife.com/pomp Get $1,000 off the cost of a life-changing membership with Fountain Life when you schedule a call at https:www.http://fountainlife.com/pomp=======================Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.=======================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.=======================0:00 - Intro0:53 - Why the stock market keeps hitting all-time highs4:37 - AI vs. software (who's winning & who's losing)11:28 - Is this a bubble? Demand vs. supply dynamics13:00 - Why crypto is lagging the AI trade & bitcoin setup 17:22 - The industrial revolution thesis & why stocks won't stop20:40 - Inflation, the Fed & politics32:00 - How to use AI to get ahead33:08 - The compute cost problem & AI model wars48:13 - Retail vs. institutional investors — who has the edge 50:39 - Where to find Jordi's work

Anthony Pompliano breaks down the biggest bitcoin predictions coming out of this year's bitcoin Conference. In this episode, he covers Arthur Hayes on digital credit driving the next bull run, Michael Saylor on the explosion of digital credit markets, Tim Draper on why it's now irresponsible for companies not to hold bitcoin, a major upcoming announcement from the White House on the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve, SEC Chair Paul Atkins on regulation as a catalyst, and Paul Tudor Jones on bitcoin as the best inflation hedge alive.=====================Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.=====================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.=====================0:00 - Intro 0:22 - Arthur Hayes: bitcoin bull run prediction 1:23 - Michael Saylor: digital credit is exploding 3:40 - Tim Draper: it's irresponsible not to hold bitcoin 7:05 - White House & Strategic Bitcoin Reserve announcement?9:20 - SEC Chair Paul Atkins on regulation & crypto 11:10 - Paul Tudor Jones: bitcoin is the best inflation hedge 13:08 - Final take: why Pomp holds bitcoin

Jordi Visser is a veteran macro investor with 30+ years of experience and the author of the VisserLabs Substack. In this conversation, we discuss why bitcoin is decoupling from software stocks, how it wins in both inflationary and deflationary environments, and the five scarcity-driven investment baskets Jordi is tracking right now. We also get into the AI agents shift, why public companies are struggling to adopt AI, and how to position a portfolio in a world of shortages.====================Consensus Miami is the largest crypto conference in the world — May 5-7, 2026 in Miami. 20,000 attendees. 72% director-level or above. The deals, partnerships, and investments that shape the next cycle get made here. Use code POMPLIANO for 25% off your pass → https://go.coindesk.com/c26pomp====================Uphold is the easiest way to buy and sell crypto unlike any other platform allowing you to trade in just one step between any supported asset. Check them out at https://www.uphold.com/pomp/ This video includes a paid sponsorship with Uphold. I’m compensated by Uphold for promoting its products and services and may receive commissions from referrals. Terms apply. Not available in all jurisdictions. Digital assets are risky and may result in the total loss of your capital.====================Need liquidity without selling your crypto? Take out a Figure Crypto-Backed Loan (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp), allowing you to borrow against your BTC, ETH, or SOL with 12-month terms, 8.91% interest rates, and no prepayment penalties. Or check out Democratized Prime (https://figuremarkets.co/pomp) and earn ~8.5% APY on real world assets, paid hourly. Unlock your crypto’s potential today at Figure! https://figuremarkets.co/pompDisclosuresFigure Lending LLC dba Figure. Equal Opportunity Lender. NMLS 1717824. Terms and conditions apply.====================0:00 - Intro 0:54 - Bitcoin vs. software stocks decoupling?5:43 - Inflation vs. deflation & what it means for bitcoin 12:35 - The 5 thematic investment baskets 23:27 - Real-time information & podcasts vs reading 33:27 - AI security, hacking & what it means for bitcoin 36:15 - Anthropic vs. OpenAI vs. Meta — the model race 42:15 - Contracted annual run rate & the revenue illusion 45:35 - Jordi's scarcity trader worldview49:03 - The fourth turning, politics & generational change 

Michael Saylor is the CEO of Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy), the first publicly traded company to convert a material portion of its balance sheet into bitcoin. In this conversation, we revisit the very first time Michael Saylor ever publicly talked about bitcoin — recorded in late 2020 when bitcoin was trading around $10,000. We discuss his background founding MicroStrategy at age 24, the macro conditions that led him to reject cash as a store of value, why he chose bitcoin over gold and real estate, how he acquired $425 million in bitcoin without moving the market, and why he believes bitcoin is on a path to rival or surpass gold's market cap.========================Consensus Miami is the largest crypto conference in the world — May 5-7, 2026 in Miami. 20,000 attendees. 72% director-level or above. The deals, partnerships, and investments that shape the next cycle get made here. Use code POMPLIANO for 25% off your pass → https://go.coindesk.com/c26pomp========================Arch Public is an agentic trading platform that automates the buying and selling of your preferred crypto strategies. Sign up today at https://www.archpublic.com and start your automated trading strategy for free. No catch. No hidden fees. Just smarter trading.========================Bitget (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew) is the world's largest Universal Exchange (UEX) (https://bitget.com/promotion/futures-tradfi?channelCode=regd&vipCode=nkew), serving over 125 million users with access to over 2M+ crypto tokens, and TradFi markets such as 100+ tokenized stocks, ETFs, commodities, FX and precious metal like Gold. At launch, users can trade 79 instruments with USDT directly with the App. Users can also enjoy high liquidity and low slippage, while trading these assets with up to 500x leverage. For more information on Bitget TradFi, visit this article (https://bitget.com/support/articles/12560603846859). For more information, visit: Website (https://bitget.com/) | Twitter (https://x.com/bitget) | Telegram (https://t.me/BitgetENOfficial) | LinkedIn (https://linkedin.com/company/bitget-global/) | Discord (https://discord.com/invite/bitget)For media inquiries, please contact: [email protected]========================0:00 - Intro1:25 - Michael Saylor's background & founding MicroStrategy 29:40 - The 99% stock crash & lessons learned 31:07 - How COVID changed MicroStrategy's business 33:37 - The macro problem: cash melting & asset inflation 40:45 - How Saylor discovered bitcoin 45:23 - Why not real estate, equities, or gold? 49:10 - Bitcoin's network dominance & why it already won53:30 - Addressing the "someone can copy it" critique 59:28 - Convincing the board: homework assignments & deliberations 1:04:30 - How they acquired $425M in bitcoin without moving price 1:09:45 - Reaction from other CEOs & breaking the mental block 1:12:00 - The four-minute mile moment for corporate bitcoin 1:17:00 - Addressing bitcoin's volatility 1:21:39 - Bitcoin vs. gold market cap1:23:10 - Rapid fire questions & closing