EP281: Interview with Kelly Rhyne, LCSW, MDiv (Center for Estrangement)
In this bonus episode of The Estranged Heart podcast, Kreed speaks with Kelly Rhyne, a social worker, minister, chaplain, and founder of the Center for Estrangement, about understanding estrangement as more than a cutoff. Kelly explains how unresolved harm and grief can spread across relationships and other parts of life, and why mourning, acknowledgment, and ongoing support matter even when reconciliation remains possible. Kelly describes the Center for Estrangement, a project built around understanding estrangement as a form of living loss and applying the essentials of mourning beyond family relationships. She and host Kreed discuss how disconnection shows up in caregiving, disability, workplaces, racism, self-relationship, and our connection to the Earth, then share a special announcement - a joint endeavor: the Questioning Estrangement podcast!TAKEAWAYSEstrangement is described as distance arising from misalignment, harm, or feeling unsafe, not simply a cutoff; even ending contact may leave unresolved estrangement within oneself.We don't really have a framework for mourning estrangement.Grief is energy and it wants to move.Mourning is the act of moving the grief from the inside out.If we never addressed the harm, if we're just keeping it in ourselves, that can cause an estrangement within ourselves, too.Once you relate to something, you never stop relating.Grief and mourning are not meant to be done in a silo. “I don't think something is a trend if it's always been.” - Kelly Rhyne, LCSW, MDiv“The beauty of humanity is the difference. It's not the enemy.” - Kelly Rhyne, LCSW, MDivTO FIND KELLY:Private Therapy Practice: https://www.giveintolovetherapeutics.com/All the socials: TikTok, YouTube, Instagram - The Center for EstrangementAll the socials: TikTok, YouTube, Instagram and Facebook - QuestioningEstrangementChapters00:00 The estrangement tumor: grief that grows when unaddressed06:05 Why estrangement takes work beyond the cutoff09:24 Kelly’s path from musical theater to ministry13:31 Chaplaincy, caregiving, and disability advocacy16:27 From personal practice to founding the Center for Estrangement18:08 Grief is inside; mourning helps it move19:58 Estrangement as harm, misalignment, and distance22:04 How relationships span body, culture, and generations26:19 The six needs of mourning and living loss33:13 Why estrangement leaves room for a different relationship33:54 Estrangement as a lens on connection and disconnection35:20 Applying the essentials across caregiving, disability, and work36:40 Misalignment, racism, and estrangement from the Earth38:41 Why self-connection can be a starting point40:22 The Center’s introductory course and experiential model42:19 A holistic course that includes self-restoration43:34 Working with protective parts instead of against them44:37 Building a collaborative community for different forms of estrangement46:36 Making space for discomfort, learning, and growth49:14 Why estrangement is part of the human experience52:01 How Kelly and Kreed connected and created a podcast54:27 Questioning Estrangement: exploring questions from every side58:20 Where to find the Center and Kelly’s therapy practice🎧Listen wherever you get your podcasts (ie: Apple, Spotify, YouTube, etc.)📱 Follow The Estranged Heart: Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, YouTubeRESOURCES & SUPPORTFacebook Support Group for Estranged Moms (facilitated by Kreed) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/estrangedmotherssupportgroupOne-on-One ServicesPrivate coaching, Consulting, Mediation servicesConnect with Kreed:Website: theestrangedheart.comEmail: [email protected] the work: Buy Me a Coffee (donation platform)Disclaimer: Kreed Revere is not a licensed therapist. Nothing in this podcast should be considered or taken as therapy. If you need therapeutic support, please seek out a therapist near you.