"Pronouns" with Laura Paterson

Coming to you live from the Spoken Word stage at Out and Wild, the UK’s biggest festival for lesbian, bi, trans and queer women and those who are non-binary! This conversation with the delightful Leilah King has everything you could hope for: laughing, rhyming, swooning, and a whole lot of poetry reading. Tune in to hear Leilah speak about gender nonconformity in football, her journey as a neurodivergent performance poet, and how being half-Iranian affects her experience as a queer woman.CW: mental health, manic state, gendered violence  References:Midnight Picnics in Tehran (2019)We Are Hungry for Androgyny (2023)Polari PressMary OliverSam KerrAudre Lorde’s ZamiTravis AlabanzaJohn Steinbeck’s East of EdenThe Grapes of WrathCharles BukowskiIvan Coyote’s The Tomboy Survival GuideJames Baldwin’s Giovanni’s RoomJohn BetjemanPhilip LarkinSoft ButchTime of the MonthGay on Wye  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:     Leilah reflects on being a writer as well as a performer. How does performance affect her writing?     What was Leilah’s open mic night called and why did she set it up?     Who are some of the writers that have inspired Leilah? Who inspires you?     Leilah speaks about her intersecting experiences of being queer, neurodivergent and half-Iranian. How does your queerness relate to other parts of your identity?  

Come along on this deep dive into Alison Bechdel’s new autofictional comic novel Spent, that will give you everything from Edward Gorey Easter eggs to Harriet the Spy content. Alison teaches me things about myself (I’m a bottom-up thinker. Who knew!) and reflects on what Alison, the character, learns from finally meeting the much beloved Dykes to Watch Out For on the page. Whether you are a fan of goats, wood chopping, reality TV or Virginia Woolf – this episode has something for every kind of anti-capitalist dyke.  References:Alison Bechel’s The Secret to Superhuman StrengthAlison Bechel’s Fun HomeAlison Bechel’s Dykes to Watch Out ForCarmen Maria MachadoKarl Marx’s Das KapitalThe Guilty Feminist podcastQueer EyeTidying Up with Marie KondoVirginia Woolf’s To the LighthouseNicole CoenenGrant Wood’s American GothicEdward Gorey’s The Unstrung HarpThe Gashlycrumb Tinies This Queer Book Saved My LifeJonathan CapeFoyleshttps://www.foyles.co.uk/events/cape-graphic-novels-mini-conAnna Trench’s FlorrieLouise Fitzhugh’s Harriet the Spy  Questions you should be able to respond to:     What are some of Alison Bechdel’s most well-known texts?     How does Alison reflect on intergenerational queer community?     In a lesbian version of Queer Eye, what would the five lesbians’ areas of expertise be?     If you could fictionalise a detail of your life, what would you invent for yourself?

The beauty of trans life is that it flourishes in unexpected spaces. This fortnight’s guest Perry Zurn has written a beautiful book about how trans life creates spaces for itself in the cracks, at the edges and in other liminal spaces. We speak about trans life at the university, trans poetics, and the problematisation of trans inclusion. Perry tells me about how he was able to rethink methodologies and the role of the researcher by working with story-led theory. Tune in now to attune yourself to trans thinking, histories and ourchives.  References:Perry Zurn’s How We Make Each Other: Trans Life at the Edge of the University (Duke University Press, 2025)Perry Zurn and Dani S. Bassett’s Curious Minds: The Power of Connection (MIT Press, 2022)Ren-yo HwangEnoch PageJack GiesekingAndrea LawlorJen ManionCavar’s “In Praise of -Less”https://azejournal.com/article/2022/8/4/in-praise-of-less-transmad-shouts-from-absent-placesAmherst Collee, Hampshire College, Mount Holyoke College, Smith College, and University of Massachusetts Amherst  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:     What might trans poetics be? How does Perry define this term?     Why does Perry like thinking through problems? What are two problems we speak about on the podcast?     Perry describes what story-led theory is and how this method is, in a way, the opposite of how philosophy traditionally uses stories. Can you explain what story-led theory is and how it is different from other theory?     How does Perry use the term ‘attunement’?     Perry explains finding thematic clusters such as pebble, dust and glue. What is an object or entity you associate with trans life?

Please listen to this super special episode to meet Mark King from Queer Britain and also to hear all about the upcoming sold-out launch of ListenQueer, the accessible LGBTQIA+ history app!listenqueer.co.ukqueerbritain.org.ukhttps://www.outsavvy.com/event/26049/listenqueer-walking-tour-and-app-launch

Meet Talia Bettcher, the amazing philosopher who gave us canonical essays like “Trapped in the Wrong Theory” and “Evil Deceivers and Make-Believers,” and has now published a paradigm-shifting book about trans philosophy. Talia tells me about why personhood may be overrated, why the existential WTF lead her to this realisation, and how it’s really all about relationships. We also discuss three of Talia’s highly influential concepts: reality enforcement, the wrong body account, and the beyond the binary model.CW: transphobia, violence, abuse, sexual abuse, sexual abuse while unconscious (from 28 mins)References:Beyond Personhood: An Essay in Trans Philosophy (University of Minnesota Press, 2025)Bettcher, Talia Mae. “Trapped in the Wrong Theory: Rethinking Trans Oppression and Resistance” (Signs 39.2, 2014)Merryleggs, the Magical PonyBettcher, Talie Mae. “Evil Deceivers and Make-Believers: On Transphobic Violence and the Politics of Illusion” (Hypatia 22.3, 2007)Gwen AraujoThe existential WTFReality enforcementInterpersonal spatialityMaría LugonesMarilyn FryeJohn LockePeter SingerPhoriaGloria Anzaldúa’s Borderlands/La FronteraJay Prosser’s Second Skins  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:     What is reality enforcement and how does it express transphobia?     What is personhood? Why is it generally perceived as a positive concept?     Why does Talia put a focus on relationships instead?     Talia speaks about two ways of viewing transness: the “beyond the binary” model and the “wrong body” account. What are these and why is Talia critical of both of them?     How can you show up to support trans rights?

Welcome to a brand-new queer space special! Come along to visit All She Wrote Books, a fabulous queer feminist bookshop, located in Somerville, MA, an area that is historically significant for feminist literary activism. Owner Christina Pascucci-Ciampa tells me about what it was like turning All She Wrote Books from the queer literary pop-up that unicorn dreams are made of into a (yellow) brick (road) and mortar shop and community space. We also learn about Ruby, the bookshop’s Chief Barking Officer, and about what made Christina believe in the magical powers of storytelling.References:https://www.allshewrotebooks.com/@allshewrotebooksNew WordsKristen Hogan’s The Feminist Bookstore Movement (Duke UP, 2016)American Booksellers AssociationEmma StraubBooks Are MagicPatricia Highsmith’s The Price of Salt (Carol)Audre LordeAdrienne Richbell hooksJulie EnszerSinister WisdomFeminist Bookstore Newshttps://sinisterwisdom.org/FBNMalinda LoRuby, Chief Barking Officerhttps://www.allshewrotebooks.com/friendsofrubyCrafty Queer Studio https://www.craftyqueerstudio.com/The Wizard of OzAudre Lorde’s Sister OutsiderCarmen Maria Machado’s In the Dream House/Her Body and Other PartiesThis Queer Book Saved My Life podcastLindy WestSarah Schulman  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:      Christina speaks about why pop-up bookshops were an important part of All She Wrote’s journey. What are some benefits of a pop-up bookshop?     If you could host a book pop-up at any location, where would it be?     Why are libraries great? What are some of their limits?     Why do we need specialist bookshops? Why are they spaces of activism?

What does AI have to do with queerness? And how could the use of machine learning affect our lives and our rights as LGBTQIA+ people? Daniella Gáti shares the answers to these questions and more. Daniella is an expert in narrative, creative computing, and brings a unique transdisciplinary perspective to both. We touch on facial recognition, what is happening in Hungary, and speak about common misconceptions about AI.  References:Gáti, Daniella. ‘Theorizing Mathematical Narrative through Machine Learning’. Journal of Narrative Theory, vol. 53, no. 1, 2023, pp. 139–65.Gáti, Daniella . “AI, Queerness, and Humanity: How AI Reshapes the World and What We Can Do about It” (8 February, 2025, TedX Talk)The Palgrave Handbook of Feminist, Queer and Trans* Narrative Studies (Vera Nuenning and Corinna Assman, eds)Nicola Dinan’s Disappoint MeThon (19th century gender-neutral pronoun)Dennis Baron’s What’s Your Pronoun: Beyond He and SheJordy Rosenberg’s Confessions of the FoxErzsébet Galgóczi’s A törvényen kívül és belül (Another Love)  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:     Why might AI not be compatible with queer thought?     How can facial recognition affect rights of LGBTQIA+ people?     What is a common misconception about AI?     What is machine learning?     What role might narrative play in all of this?  

Meet Julie Enszer, editor of Sinister Wisdom, dyke poetry superstar, and protector of the lesbian archives. Julie and I speak about shared queer cultures, lesbian feminist publishing, and all of the amazing queer archiving projects Julie is involved in. We also speak about the importance of sharing knowledge and practices of resistance, especially at a time like the present moment. Since Julie is particularly invested in sharing these practices internationally, she is part of the team that is bringing the Lesbian Lives conference to New York in October 2025… Tune in for the details.  References:https://julierenszer.com/Sinister Wisdom https://www.sinisterwisdom.org/@sinister_wisom (IG)Julie Enszer’s The Pinko Commie Dyke (Indolent Books, 2024) with illustrations by Isabel Clare PaulOutWrite: The Speeches that Shaped LGBTQ Literary Culture (ed. Julie Enszer and Elena Gross, Rutgers UP, 2022)The Complete Works of Pat Parkers (ed. Julie Enszer, Sinister Wisdom/A Midsummer Night’s Press, 2016)Fire-Rimmed Eden: Selected Poems by Lynn Lonidier (ed. Julie Enszer, Sinister Wisdom, 2023)Sinister Wisdom 128: Trans/FeminismsReveal Digital Archiveshttps://about.jstor.org/revealdigital/The Lesbian Poetry Archive http://lesbianpoetryarchive.org/Feminist Bookstore News Archivehttps://www.lesbianpoetryarchive.org/fbnCarol SeajayWomen in Print MovementCatherine NicholsonHarriet DesmoinesHillary ClintonLesbian Lives ConferenceElla Ben HagaiThe Journal of Lesbian StudiesOlu JenzenCLAGS (The Centre for LGBTQ Studies, CUNY)https://www.gc.cuny.edu/clags-center-lgbtq-studiesMatt BrimGrace Nichols’ The Fat Black Woman’s PoemsHeresieshttp://heresiesfilmproject.org/archive/Cheryl Clarkehttps://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/cheryl-clarkeTim Retzloffhttps://michiganlgbtqremember.com/842-2/Alison Bechdel’s Fun HomeMarilyn Hacker’s Love, Death and the Changing of the Seasons (1986)  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:1.      How do we build lesbian and feminist communities? Which examples does Julie give?2.      What are the Reveal Digital Archives?3.      What types of writing does Sinister Wisdom publish and what would Julie like to see more of? In which year was the journal launched?4.      How does Julie describe the importance of lesbian archives?5.      How might archives help us with lesbian, queer and trans oganising?  

Whether you share them, prefer them or avoid them – pronouns are everywhere. As Laura Paterson, a linguist who specialises in pronouns, tells us, this is a. because they are an essential part of grammar and b. because they are particularly sexy right now. Laura tells us what exactly a pronoun is and why third-person personal pronouns can cause so much controversy, despite the fact that their main job is just to point to things.  References: Paterson, Laura L. The Routledge Handbook of Pronouns. (Routledge, 2024)Paterson, Laura L. and Gregory, Ian N. Representations of Poverty and Place: Using Geographical Text Analysis to Understand Discourse. (Palgrave, 2018)Paterson, Laura L. British Pronoun Use, Prescription, and Processing: Linguistic and Social Influences Affecting 'They' and 'He' (Palgrave, 2014)Ann LeckieMarge Piercy’s Woman on the Edge of TimeAshley Reilly-ThorntonSusan StrykerLal ZimmanGardelle, Laure. “Pronoun Activism and the Power of Animacy” The Routledge Handbook of Pronouns. (Routledge, 2024)Journal of Language and Discrimination (https://journal.equinoxpub.com/JLD)Dennis Baron’s What’s Your Pronoun (Liveright, 2020)Chloe Benjamin’s The Immortalists (‎G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 2018)  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:What is a pronoun?Why can pronouns ‘humanise’ characters?Which two uses of singular they do we speak about? Can you think of others?When might the pronoun ‘it’ become important in activism?What are combined pronouns and why are they no longer in fashion?What are some considerations around pronoun sharing that Laura touches on? How do you feel about this?   

Would you like to hear about a 100-year-old public Art nouveau toilet turned queer art gallery? Or about the police station that went from a site of protest and oppression to a place of LGBTQIA+ storytelling? Then this is the episode for you. George Savoulis, director of Qtopia Sydney, is taking us all the way to Australia to tell us all about the magic of queer history, reclaiming of space, and the beauty of queer creativity.  References:https://qtopiasydney.com.au/Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi GrasDarlinghurst Police StationTroughmanVirginia Woolf’s Orlando  Questions you should be able to respond to after listening:     What is the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras?     Where did the 1978 protests take place and what were they about?     What is the pink triangle?     If you could choose any space to turn into a queer gallery, museum or performance space, which space would that be?