International Enneagram Association Podcast

Suzanne Zuercher, who studied under Claudio Naranjo, reads Thomas Merton's inner world as a Type Four—from a childhood photo showing his withdrawn stance to his lifelong struggle with a false self. She traces how Merton's narcissism and obsessive self-observation became the exact tools that let him write about prayer and contemplation with such precision, and why humility was the only way out of the Four's compulsive search for meaning.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2027: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

Sandra Maitri studied with Claudio Naranjo starting in 1970, shortly after Naranjo returned from Arica, Chile and began teaching the Enneagram. She later apprenticed with A.H. Almas (Hamid Ali) and teaches the Diamond Approach. In this episode, Sandra distinguishes between the Enneagram of Personality—the fixations, passions, and defensive subtypes—and the Objective Enneagrams: the Holy Ideas and virtues that reveal enlightened consciousness. She walks through all nine points, mapping each passion (laziness, anger, lust, deception, pride, envy, gluttony, avarice, fear) to its corresponding virtue (action, serenity, innocence, veracity, humility, equanimity, sobriety, non-attachment, courage). Her core point: when you identify with your type as who you are, you're still operating inside a preconception. Real work means relaxing that identity and seeing yourself and others directly.

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to Terry Sericino speak about the three domains of transformation: spirituality (receptivity to what's greater), psychology (loosening type patterns), and somatics (nervous system healing). Terry Sericino walked away from a telecom career in 1989 to follow the Enneagram, studying with Helen Palmer, Don Riso, and Claudio Naranjo, then apprenticing for 20+ years with Diamond Heart teacher Dean Shank. But in 2006, deep depression revealed a gap: spiritual practice and therapy couldn't touch the birth trauma patterned into her nervous system. A session with Raymond Castellino and Peter Levine's Somatic Experiencing changed that. Terry maps the three domains where real change happens and why the Enneagram alone is incomplete. Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2027: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Sericino:Web: narrativeenneagram.orgSeth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we go back in time to the first International Enneagram Conference in 1994 and listen as Julia Twomey-Davie presents her dissertation that links Dr. Jerry Wagner’s Enneagram to Carol Pearson's 12 Heroic Archetypes – the first empirical study to test both systems together. She tested 185 adults with five psychological instruments – Wagner Enneagram Personality Style Scales, Pearson's Heroic Myth Index, the Barron Scale from the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory, Spielberger State-Trait Anxiety Inventory, and the Marlowe–Crowne Social Desirability Scale – to produce the hypothesis that the 12 archetypes function like a periodic table of psychological elements, revealing that specific types consistently matched with specific archetypes. Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Twomey-Davie:Book: The Pythagorean Path . . . An Enneagram TaleSeth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to conversations with Melissa Davis, Carmel Buckley and Caryn Berley as they describe how the Enneagram taught them compassion and why type labels are just a starting point, not an ending place. Melissa shares how the Enneagram has taught her to appreciate others for their patterns and how they show up. And Caryn talks about her journey of being a Type Nine and the constant pull between needing solitude and connection with others. Carmel doesn’t work in the Enneagram space, but she discusses why she’s pushing for mental health professionals to learn Enneagram literacy. Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Davis:Web: melissadavis.coLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/melissacowettdavisCarmel Buckley:FB: Carmel del Mar Skin CareCaryn Berley:Web: carynberley.comIG: @carynberleyFB: Caryn Berley, Life Coach & Enneagram ProfessionalLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/caryn-berley-65904462Seth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, Leslie Hershberger speaks with Maria Beesing, co-founder of the IEA and co-author of “The Enneagram: A Journey of Self-Discovery,” which was published in 1984. Maria reflects on four decades teaching the Enneagram and its main purpose to know one’s own type. She talks about the evolution of her own understanding of this tool, which continues to broaden and deepen, and the shift she has noticed for more inclusivity in the last 35 years. She also discusses what she hopes for the next generation, which is to know themselves and trust their creator.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Hershberger:Web: lesliehershberger.comFacebook: Leslie HershbergerLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/lesliehershbergerMaria Beesing:Book: The Enneagram: A Journey of Self Discovery by Maria Beesing, Robert J.Nogosel and Patrick H. O'LearySeth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to brief conversations with Karen & Sarah Carlsen, Jakob Florentz Horn and Mettstine Hattesen, and Caryn Berley.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the second part of a conversation led by Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels, who are part of The Brain Group – a collaboration consisting of Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel. Jack talks about the Enneagram Prison Project with researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek researcher Laura Baker, Susan Olesek (EPP founder), and program ambassadors Alex Senegal and Thomas Papa. This research and development project uses the Enneagram to inspire transformation. As they explore the project’s real results, they ask how they can measure the experience and how do they develop a protocol? Alex and Thomas share how the Enneagram changed their self-awareness and choices after their release.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Baker:Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphdLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788Enneagram Prison Project:Web: enneagramprisonproject.orgJack Killen:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792bDan Siegel:Web: drdansiegel.comWeb: mindsightinstitute.comFacebook: Dr. Dan SiegelDenise Daniels:Web: drdaviddaniels.comDavid Daniels:Web: drdaviddaniels.comBook: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack KillenSeth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to short conversations with Julius Rainey & Nicole Rainey, Elmarie Roberts and Wendy Miller.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen

In this episode of the International Enneagram Association podcast, we listen to the first part of a discussion with Laura Baker, Jack Killen and the late-David Daniels as they talk about The Brain Group – a collaboration with Laura, Jack, David, Denise Daniels and Dan Siegel – and the model they’ve developed called Patterns of Developmental Processing. The human brain and the mind operate in the world by looking and seeing for patterns, making assumptions based on those patterns, and then motivating actions on that basis. These five researchers bring their own perspective to discuss how the Enneagram might develop over someone’s lifespan and the connections between the nine early temperaments that align perfectly with the nine Enneagram types. They also explore some of the challenges they saw in the development of their model.Connect with us:Web: internationalenneagram.orgIEA Enneagram Experience 2025: ieaexperience.comJoin the email list: [email protected] Baker:Web: dornsife.usc.edu/laurabakerphdLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/laura-baker-8531788Jack Killen:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-killen-m-d-5686792b/Dan Siegel:Web: drdansiegel.comWeb: mindsightinstitute.comFacebook: Dr. Dan SiegelDenise Daniels:Web: drdaviddaniels.comDavid Daniels:Web: drdaviddaniels.comBook: Personality and Wholeness in Therapy: Integrating 9 Patterns of Developmental Pathways in Clinical Practice by Daniel J. Siegel and PDP Group – Laura Baker, David Daniels, Denise Daniels and Jack KillenSeth "Creek" Creekmore: IG: @_creekmorePod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastPod: Awareness to Action Enneagram PodcastPod: Delusional Optimism with Dr. BLindsey Marks:IG: @lindseyfaithdmPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastLee Fields:Web: enneagrammatic.comIG: @enneagrammaticSeth Abram:IG: @integratedenneagramPod: Fathoms | An Enneagram PodcastFlemming Christensen:Web: flemmingchristensen.comTrainings: flemmingchristensen.com/trainingThe Enneagram Life Theme: flemmingchristensen.com/enneagram-life-theme.htmlBook: “The Enneagram and why your blind type matters”IG: @flemmingchristensencomFB: Flemming ChristensenLinkedIn: Flemming Christensen