Humotech Podcast

In this conversation, Adam Norton from the University of Massachusetts Lowell NERVE Center discusses his journey into the field of exoskeletons and robotics, emphasizing the importance of standards in the development and evaluation of these technologies. He highlights the challenges of measuring human-robot performance, the role of ASTM in setting standards, and the need for transparency in testing and certification processes. The discussion also touches on the future of exoskeleton standards and the collaborative nature of the robotics community.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysAdam's journey into robotics began with traditional robotics.Exoskeletons are specialized systems, not the sci-fi versions.Standards should be developed alongside technology, not after.Objective measures can support subjective evaluations.Acceptance is crucial for user adoption of exoskeletons.ASTM F48 plays a key role in exoskeleton standards.Self-certification could empower smaller companies.Testing should replicate real-world conditions.Transparency in results is essential for credibility.The robotics community is small and interconnected.Sound bites"The community is so small, we all know each other.""It's a very hard balance to strike.""Standards as an enabler as opposed to a barrier."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Exoskeletons and Robotics05:56 Measuring Human-Robot Performance11:24 The Role of Standards in Exoskeleton Development16:39 Certification and Testing in the Exoskeleton Industry24:51 The Importance of Standards in Exoskeleton Development26:19 Funding and Participation in Standards Development28:23 The Role of Governing Bodies in Standards29:46 Navigating the Exoskeleton Market30:51 Developing Performance Specifications for Exoskeletons33:21 Challenges in Standard Compliance35:33 Bench Testing vs. Real-World Testing37:12 Finding the Balance in Testing Methodologies40:01 Statistical Analysis in Exoskeleton Testing44:39 Conclusion and Future Directions44:55 Going with the Flow44:59 Wrap-Up

In this conversation, Dr. Elliott Rouse shares his journey from a mechanical engineer in auto racing to a leading figure in rehabilitation research at the University of Michigan. He discusses the importance of hands-on experience in engineering, the impact of the Shirley Ryan AbilityLab, and his experiences at Google X. Dr. Rouse elaborates on the Open Source Leg project, its significance in the field of robotics, and the challenges of measuring its impact. He emphasizes the importance of community support in open source projects and the role of federal funding in advancing research. The conversation concludes with advice for early career innovators in the field.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysDr. Rouse transitioned from auto racing to rehabilitation research to make a meaningful impact.The Shirley Ryan AbilityLab provided a unique environment for training in rehabilitation engineering.Hands-on experience is crucial for engineering students and researchers.The Open Source Leg project aims to create accessible robotic systems for research.Measuring the impact of the open source leg involves tracking downloads, contributions, and publications.Receiving positive feedback from users worldwide is a rewarding aspect of the project.Take-home studies for robotic systems are on the horizon, indicating progress in the field.Support for open source projects is a significant challenge that requires community engagement.Federal funding mechanisms like NSF's POSE are vital for supporting open source ecosystems.Early career innovators should focus on converting effort into tangible results.Sound bites"I want to impact people's lives.""It's a wonderful place to be trained.""I want to see the needle move."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Dr. Elliott Rouse01:37 Journey into Rehabilitation Research05:08 The Impact of Shirley Ryan AbilityLab08:02 Bridging Corporate and Academic Worlds09:24 Experiences at Google X and RAI Institute15:42 The Open Source Leg Project20:38 Measuring Impact and Success24:38 Future of Open Source in Real-World Applications28:28 Navigating Support Challenges in Open Source Development30:48 Federal Support for Open Source Ecosystems31:45 Exploring Research Scope and Hardware Design32:11 Innovations in Variable Stiffness Mechanisms35:35 Measuring Mechanical Impedance and User Preferences37:08 Behavioral Economics in Exoskeleton Value Assessment40:33 Understanding the Cost of Exoskeletons42:07 Bridging Technology and Economic Decision Making48:03 Advice for Early Career Innovators

In this conversation, Dr. Sasha Portnova, creator and host with Gears of Progress Podcast, shares her journey from academia to the corporate world, discussing her work in biomechanics, rehabilitation engineering, and assistive technology. She emphasizes the importance of user-centered design and collaboration between engineers and clinicians to create effective solutions for individuals with disabilities. Dr. Portnova also highlights the challenges of translating technology into clinical practice and the need for increased funding to support innovation in the field.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysDr. Portnova's journey into biomechanics was serendipitous and driven by intuition.Transitioning from academia to corporate involves understanding scalability and impact.User-centered design is crucial in developing assistive technologies.Collaboration between engineers and clinicians is essential for successful technology adoption.The affordability of technology is key to improving accessibility in rehabilitation.Open-source approaches can enhance the development of assistive devices.Research in upper limb biomechanics is often underrepresented compared to lower limb studies.Advancements in machine learning are shaping the future of prosthetic control.Funding is a significant bottleneck in innovation for assistive technology.The importance of community and mentorship in shaping careers in biomechanics.Sound bites"It's a roller coaster.""It's all about collaboration.""We need more funding for innovation."Chapters00:00 Future of Affordable Tracking Technology00:25 Introduction to Dr. Sasha Portnova01:44 Journey into Mobility and Rehab02:12 Academic Experiences at University of Washington06:26 Transition to Meta07:47 Gears of Progress Podcast10:48 Technical and Research Details18:18 Northwestern and Upper Limb Exploration25:34 Postdoctoral Research at University of Washington26:20 User-Centered Design Philosophy38:50 Future of Assistive Technology47:59 Innovation and Change56:18 Call to Action

In this conversation, Dr. Matty Major discusses his journey into the field of prosthetics and rehabilitation, highlighting the importance of interdisciplinary collaboration and the unique ecosystem at Northwestern University. He emphasizes the challenges of maintaining focus in a dynamic research environment and the significance of building a multidisciplinary team. Dr. Major also explores the Jesse Brown VA Medical Center's whole health approach, the importance of mechanical testing and device characterization, and the need for standards in prosthetics. He introduces the MSPO-R program, aimed at training the next generation of clinician scientists to bridge the gap between clinical practice and research.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysDr. Matty Major's journey into prosthetics was inspired by a passion for science fiction and a desire to impact humanity.The interdisciplinary ecosystem at Northwestern University fosters collaboration between engineers and clinicians.Focus in research can be challenging due to the dynamic nature of the field and the multitude of disciplines involved.Building a multidisciplinary team is essential for addressing complex questions in rehabilitation science.The VA's whole health approach emphasizes integrated solutions for patient care.Translational research is crucial for improving clinical practice and patient outcomes.The needs of veterans can differ significantly from those of civilians, impacting research and interventions.Mechanical testing is vital for understanding the functionality of prosthetic devices and optimizing their design.Characterizing prosthetic devices can lead to better clinical decision-making and improved patient outcomes.The MSPO-R program aims to train clinician scientists who can bridge the gap between clinical practice and research.Sound bites"I was a product of the 80s.""I never looked back.""It's a luxury and a privilege."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Dr. Matty Major01:56 Journey into Prosthetics and Rehabilitation04:05 The Interdisciplinary Ecosystem of Research06:33 Navigating Focus in Dynamic Research10:14 Building a Multidisciplinary Team11:56 The Whole Health Approach in VA14:32 Translational Achievements in Clinical Practice17:09 VA vs. Civilian Practice: A Blended Approach19:30 Mechanical Testing in Prosthetics20:17 Characterizing Prosthetic Devices27:41 Optimizing Prosthetic Functionality29:56 Challenges in Standardization and Testing32:20 The Need for Champions in Implementation34:02 The Role of Standards in Prosthetics36:39 Collaboration Between Manufacturers and Researchers37:55 Personalization in Rehabilitation40:02 Mapping Relationships in Prosthetic Design44:24 Real-Time Optimization of Prosthetic Devices50:43 Integrating Technology with Clinical Practice51:06 Training the Next Generation of Clinician Scientists

In this conversation, Todd Schaffhauser, a co-founder of the Amputee Walking School, shares his inspiring journey from becoming an above-knee amputee at 15 to winning multiple Paralympic medals and pioneering a new running technique for amputees. He discusses the importance of mentorship, community, and the role of technology in enhancing mobility for amputees. Todd emphasizes the need for early ambulation programs and the significance of hope and visual mentorship in rehabilitation. He also highlights the challenges faced in the Paralympics and the importance of education in prosthetics for both patients and healthcare providers.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysTodd Schaffhauser became an above-knee amputee at 15.He won multiple Paralympic medals and set world records.Todd pioneered a step over step running technique for amputees.Mentorship is crucial in rehabilitation and recovery.Technology plays a significant role in improving mobility.Early ambulation programs can greatly enhance recovery outcomes.Hope is essential for motivating amputees in their journey.Community support is vital for amputees to thrive.Education in prosthetics is lacking in physical therapy training.The Amputee Walking School aims to change lives through empowerment.Sound bites"Todd's a total badass.""We’re all in the same business of helping change people’s lives.""I never want to see that happen again."Chapters00:00 Todd's Journey to Paralympic Success03:31 Innovations in Prosthetic Technology06:25 The Importance of Early Rehabilitation09:26 Mentorship and Community in Recovery12:36 Advancements in Amputee Rehabilitation15:28 The Role of Case Managers in Amputee Care18:31 Building a Supportive Network for Amputees21:37 The Future of Prosthetic Technology24:24 Connecting with the Amputee Community33:57 The Importance of Proper Fit and Safety in Prosthetics36:30 Challenges in the Paralympic Categories39:44 K Levels and Mobility Progression42:02 The Role of Rehabilitation and Wellness42:59 Incorporating Athletic Training into Rehabilitation45:51 Addressing the Fear of Falling48:18 The Need for Enhanced Prosthetic Education51:02 Innovations in Prosthetic Technology55:20 Empowering Patients in Decision Making01:00:56 Changing Lives Through Passion and Commitment

In this conversation, Patrick Tarnowski, Chief Commercial Officer at OneStep, discusses his background as a physical therapist and how it shaped his understanding of mobility and healthcare. He emphasizes the importance of mobility as a vital sign and how OneStep leverages smartphone technology to analyze gait and improve patient outcomes. The discussion also covers the alignment between payors and providers, the role of data in healthcare, and the company's engagement with startups to foster innovation. Patrick shares insights on the future of mobility in healthcare and the potential for technology to enhance patient engagement and adherence.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysMobility is a vital sign that impacts overall health.OneStep uses smartphone sensors for gait analysis.The company aims to bridge the gap between payors and providers.Data-driven insights can improve patient outcomes.Engagement with startups enhances innovation in healthcare.Mobility metrics can help reduce falls and healthcare costs.The importance of clinical validation in health technology.Gamification can enhance patient engagement and adherence.OneStep's technology is designed to be user-friendly for providers.The future of healthcare will increasingly rely on mobility data.Sound bites"OneStep uses smartphone sensors for gait analysis.""Mobility is a vital sign that impacts overall health.""Data-driven insights can improve patient outcomes."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Patrick Tarnowski and His Background01:17 Engagement with Startups and Device Companies02:54 The Impact of Small Adjustments in Mobility06:04 Transition from Patient Care to Medical Devices09:17 Leadership in Health Systems12:11 Early Mobility and Neurologic Recovery15:43 Aligning Health Systems and Payors19:25 OneStep's Approach to Mobility as a Vital Sign22:46 Challenges in Assessing Mobility26:18 Monitoring Mobility with Smartphones29:36 Reducing Fall Risks with OneStep\32:59 Partnerships with Technology Companies36:26 Patient Engagement and Gamification39:45 The Origin and Growth of OneStep41:22 The Future of Mobility as a Vital Sign43:25 Future Vision for Mobility Technology

In this conversation, Dr. Kota Takahashi from the University of Utah discusses his journey into biomechanics, the importance of technology in research, and the values that guide his mentorship style. He emphasizes the need for curiosity, scientific rigor, and collaboration in research in the Sayu Lab for Biomechanics & Locomotion, particularly in the context of translational biomechanics. The discussion also touches on the evolution of biomechanics software, the impact of research environments, and the challenges of interpreting biomechanical data. Dr. Takahashi shares insights on the role of AI in research and addresses common myths in biomechanics, concluding with thoughts on the future of the field.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysKota's interest in biomechanics was sparked by personal injury experiences.The importance of influential professors in shaping research interests.Technology like the Caplex® system has significantly advanced research capabilities.Values in Kota's lab: curiosity, scientific rigor, and collaboration.Translational research should be seen as a public service.The unique environment of a rehab hospital enhances research outcomes.AI can assist in literature searches but should not generate scientific content.Data interpretation in biomechanics is complex and requires careful consideration.Simple measurements can provide valuable insights into biomechanics.The relationship between biomechanics and subjective patient experiences is nuanced.Sound bites"I had low back injuries.""What are we doing measuring biomechanics?""Interpreting the data is so difficult."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Biomechanics and Human Performance08:11 The Role of Technology in Research16:58 Mentorship and Lab Culture19:33 Translational Biomechanics: Bridging Research and Application23:40 The Impact of Collaborative Environments27:22 Navigating AI in Research29:13 Evolution of Biomechanics Software32:52 The Accuracy and Reliability of Biomechanical Data36:13 Subjective Preferences in Biomechanics38:59 The Complexity of Biomechanical Outcomes41:50 Willingness to Use Advanced Prosthetics44:50 Understanding Cost vs. Benefit in Prosthetics47:32 Myths in Human Biomechanics53:21 Interpreting Biomechanical Data

In this conversation, Dr. Matthew Dickinson from the University of Central Lancashire discusses his work in the field of exoskeletons and wearable technology, focusing on the ASTM F48 standards committee, safety certification, and the importance of user-centric design. He shares insights from his journey in mechanical engineering, the Exo Games initiative, and the evolving landscape of funding and development in the UK. The discussion emphasizes the need for collaboration, the challenges of integrating technology into real-world applications, and the significance of understanding user needs in the design process.Music by Chase Davenport. Used with permission.TakeawaysDr. Dickinson emphasizes the importance of safety certification for exoskeletons.The ASTM F48 standards committee is working on classification and certification procedures.User-centric design is crucial for the acceptance of exoskeletons in various fields.Collaboration between engineers, users, and manufacturers is essential for innovation.The UK is seeing a surge in interest and funding for exoskeleton technology.Viking Exos aims to educate young students about exoskeletons and wearable technology.Active and passive exoskeletons serve different purposes and applications.Understanding the complexities of human movement is vital in exoskeleton design.The Exo Games initiative fosters student engagement and practical experience.Funding bodies are increasingly focused on the practical outcomes of research.Sound bites"I believe the body is so sophisticated.""Humans never do anything straight.""It's a cheat sheet to excel your innovation."Chapters00:00 Introduction to Exoskeletons and Standards02:49 Safety and Certification in Exoskeletons06:02 Matt's Journey into Exoskeleton Research09:09 The Role of Student Engagement in Exoskeleton Development12:09 UK Perspective on Exoskeleton Development15:09 Viking Exos: Innovations and Educational Initiatives20:54 Active vs Passive Exoskeletons: A Philosophical Debate23:53 The Future of Exoskeleton Design and Technology32:47 Exploring Compliance in 3D Printing34:23 The Importance of Focused Exoskeleton Design36:59 The Role of Teamwork in Engineering40:01 Prototyping vs. Evaluating Existing Exoskeletons42:49 Understanding User Needs in Exoskeleton Development46:26 Addressing the Needs of First Responders49:14 Connecting Manufacturers with End Users51:45 Evolving Funding Landscapes in Research56:05 The Intersection of Academia and Industry57:55 Parting Wisdom for the Next Generation

Urs Schneider, PhDScientific Director of Health, Fraunhofer IPASummaryIn this conversation, Dr. Urs Schneider, Scientific Director of Health at Fraunhofer IPA, discusses his extensive experience in mechatronics engineering, particularly in the fields of exoskeletons, prosthetics, and orthotics. He emphasizes the importance of integrating medical rehabilitation devices with workplace applications, the innovative Exo Workathlon testing methodology, and the need for user-centric design in assistive devices. Dr. Schneider also highlights the challenges of non-compliance with medical devices and the necessity for industry collaboration to improve testing standards and methodologies.Intro and outro music by the Flatbush Cowboys (a band that David Morgenroth played in from Brooklyn, NY).TakeawaysDr. Schneider has over 20 years of experience in mechatronics engineering.Fraunhofer IPA plays a crucial role in the development and testing of wearable robotics.The Exo Workathlon is designed to test occupational exoskeletons effectively.User feedback is essential for the development of assistive devices.There is a significant need for user-centric design in medical devices.Non-compliance with medical devices leads to increased healthcare costs.Testing as a service can bridge the gap for startups in the industry.Collaboration between academia and industry is vital for innovation.The production costs of assistive devices must be addressed for global access.Aesthetic considerations can enhance user compliance with medical devices.Sound Bites"We are a service-oriented research organization.""We need to listen to what they say they need.""User-centric aesthetics can improve compliance."Chapters00:15Introduction to Dr. Urs Schneider03:02Overview of Fraunhofer and the Role of Wearable Robotics10:25ExoWork Athlon: Realistic Test Method for Occupational Exoskeletons16:32Key Criteria for Evaluating Exoskeleton Devices23:35Interfacing with Product Developers and Design Improvements28:42Teaching and Research at Fraunhofer and University of Stuttgart35:12Testing as a Service and the Need for Service Providers42:08The Mission of Fraunhofer and the Importance of Collaboration50:17Online Resources to Learn More about Dr. Urs Schneider52:07Areas of Tech Development that Require More Attention

Matthew MarinoOwner, Evolving InnovationOwner, Prime PerformanceSummaryIn this conversation, Josh Caputo and Matt Marino discuss the evolving field of exoskeletons, focusing on their applications in both medical and occupational settings. They explore the challenges of adoption, the importance of user education, and the economic benefits of implementing exoskeletons in the workplace. Matt shares insights from his experience as a physical therapist and developer, emphasizing the need for better communication and understanding among workers and employers regarding the use of exoskeletons. The discussion also touches on the future of exoskeletons in rehabilitation and the potential for physical therapists to play a crucial role in this industry.Intro and outro music by the Flatbush Cowboys (a band that David Morgenroth played in from Brooklyn, NY).TakeawaysAdoption of exoskeletons is challenging due to lack of awareness.Injuries are a primary driver for the use of exoskeletons.Education and training are crucial for successful implementation.Return on investment can be measured through a combination of factors including injury prevention, quality and productivity improvements.Medical and occupational exoskeletons serve different but overlapping purposes.Sizing and customization are significant challenges in exoskeleton design.Physical therapists can greatly contribute to the development of exoskeletons.User acceptance is influenced by the perceived benefits and comfort of exoskeletons.Consulting experts can help organizations avoid common pitfalls in implementation.The future of exoskeletons may see more crossover between medical and occupational uses.TitlesExploring the Future of ExoskeletonsInjury Prevention Through Wearable TechnologySound Bites"Adoption is a strong word.""Workers don't even know that exoskeletons exist.""PTs are people people, right?"Chapters00:15Introduction to Matt Marino01:32Personal Journey: From Father to Exoskeleton Expert02:30The Challenge of Finding Pediatric Exoskeletons03:56Exploring Occupational Exoskeletons in the Workplace05:01Introduction and Background07:04Driving Factors for Exoskeleton Adoption13:07Challenges of Marketing Exoskeletons to Consumers15:48The Role of Physical Therapists in Exoskeleton Development22:03Sizing and Customization of Exoskeletons34:28Crossover Between Medical and Occupational Exoskeletons41:32Return-to-Work Exoskeletons49:47Conclusion and Call to Action