Ep.1534 - Likening Dumb Things to an Orchestra

*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "cf305e1d-6631-4c6d-8ce2-a65633d8d12c" data-testid= "conversation-turn-8" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> In this episode, Jason shares the powerful analogy of a bad conductor in the context of construction. He compares project delivery to an orchestra, emphasizing the roles of the superintendent, project manager, and trade partners. If the conductor (superintendent) stops leading or micromanages, or if the musicians (trades) don't follow the rhythm, the project falls apart. Jason shows how common mistakes in construction can be likened to playing music without sheet music, or trying to perform in front of an audience without proper practice. This analogy serves as a fun but insightful way to rethink how we approach planning, collaboration, and leadership on the jobsite. What you'll learn in this episode: How the roles in construction can be compared to those in an orchestra Why project leadership should focus on maintaining rhythm and integration, not micromanaging The importance of having the right resources and preparation for a successful project How trades, like musicians, must follow the overall rhythm to ensure success Why thinking outside the box using analogies can reveal flaws in construction practices How are you leading your team to stay in rhythm, and what would happen if you stopped conducting the right way?   If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw

In this episode, Jason Schroeder talks about "salty eyes", the mindset that turns experience into bitterness instead of wisdom. He explains how negativity, resistance to change, and untrained habits create toxic behaviors that hurt people and projects, even when they're disguised as "experience." Jason challenges the industry to replace over-salted perspectives with optimism, learning, and systems thinking because survival and success in construction start with attitude.  What you'll learn in this episode: What "salty eyes" look like in construction leadership and jobsite behavior. Why experience without training often leads to push, panic, and toxic habits. How negativity and fixed mindsets block real improvement. Why optimism and process thinking are survival skills in construction.  What it really means to be "seasoned" in a way that helps people and projects.  Are your eyes lightly seasoned with reality or over-salted to the point where they're holding you and your team back?  If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw  

In this episode, Jason Schroeder explains how Takt Planning fully aligns with Lean Core #2: Stability and Standardization. He walks through why chaos cannot be improved, how CPM creates constant variation, and why Takt's zone-based, time-based flow is the only way to achieve real stability on a construction project. By holding start dates, reducing overproduction, and creating clean, standardized work environments, Takt turns instability into a repeatable, improvable system.  What you'll learn in this episode: Why stability is impossible without flow and why Takt enables both. How holding start dates reduces variation and prevents overproduction. How Takt reduces waste, overburden, and unevenness through level flow. Why standardized zones enable first-run studies, leader standard work, and quality checks. Jidoka, buffers, and visible problems make continuous improvement possible.  If stability and standardization are missing on your project, is the issue really the people or the system you're using?  If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw

In this episode, Jason Schroeder and Mark Story dive into the crucial concept of selecting the right clients for long-term success. They explore the idea of working with companies that prioritize people, customers, and then profits following a sustainable, growth-minded approach. Mark reflects on a recent project where, by shifting focus to people and collaboration, the team was able to achieve remarkable results, such as completing buildings ahead of schedule. Jason and Mark discuss the importance of investing in your people, guiding them through leadership, and shifting from short-term cost-cutting to long-term growth strategies. What you'll learn in this episode: Why selecting clients who prioritize people leads to better long-term results. How investing in people and leadership creates a thriving work culture and enhances productivity. The importance of trusting your team, giving them responsibility, and coaching them to success. Why focusing on profits at the expense of people leads to a toxic work environment. How scaling businesses with the right mindset ensures a prosperous future for both employees and clients. Are you prioritizing short-term profits, or investing in your people for long-term success? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw  

In this episode, Jason Schroeder explains how Takt fully complies with Lean Core 1: respect for people, nature, and resources. He walks through why Takt is a people-centered system that limits overburden, exposes problems visually, and replaces blame with system fixes, unlike CPM, which hides issues and punishes workers. Jason also connects Takt to Japanese Lean principles like hitozukuri (making people before making things), standard work, total participation, and finishing with pride and craftsmanship.  What you'll learn in this episode: Why Takt is the ultimate respect-for-people scheduling system. How Takt replaces blame with visible system improvement. How zones, buffers, and rhythm prevent overburden and chaos. Why CPM hides problems while Takt makes them solvable. How Lean principles like hitozukuri, monozukuri, and ikigai show up in real Takt execution.  If your scheduling system truly respected people, what would change tomorrow on your project? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw  

In this episode, Jason Schroeder breaks down 3S and 5S. Sort, Set in Order, Sweep/Shine, Standardize, and Sustain and explains why cleanliness is the foundation of safety, quality, and flow. He shares why many teams fail by treating 5S as cosmetic instead of cultural, and how stability and standardization make problems visible so they can actually be solved. Jason also explains why some teams start with 3S first, and how daily cleanliness habits unlock continuous improvement and respect for people. What you'll learn in this episode: The difference between 3S and 5S and when each should be used. Why cleanliness is a prerequisite for safety and quality not an afterthought. How standardization makes problems visible instead of hiding them. Why clean environments change human behavior and enable total participation. How daily 3S/5S habits lead directly to Kaizen and continuous improvement. If cleanliness reveals the truth about your system, what is your current environment telling you right now? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw  

In this episode, Jason Schroeder explains why standards must not slip, not in the office, not in the field, and not during a Lean transformation. He connects respect for people to consistent expectations: when everyone is treated with the same rules, facilities, cleanliness standards, and conduct, teams align; when people are treated as "less," you get resentment and rebellion. Jason also shares real examples of how strong leaders held the standard without being toxic through clear expectations, training, visible standard work, and fair consequences because letting standards slide slowly pulls the whole company back to old behaviors. What you'll learn in this episode: Why treating craft and leadership as equal is proven through shared standards and conditions. How slipping standards creates a slow slide back to the old way of operating. What leaders can do to hold the standard without being mean: clarity, training, visuals, support. Why "fear of being disliked" leads to weak leadership and harms the team. How accountability can be handled positively through role fit, coaching, or reassignment when needed. Where are you allowing "just this once" to become the new normal and what standard do you need to protect starting today? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw  

In this episode, Jason Schroeder explains why most companies struggle with flow when they're organized around departments and what changes when you reorganize people around value streams instead. He shows how "department islands" create handoff friction, local efficiency, and competing priorities, while value-stream organization aligns business development, pre-con, operations, and support functions around what the customer actually needs delivered. The result is better flow, clearer ownership, repeatable systems, and performance metrics that measure the end-to-end outcome, not just how busy each department is. What you'll learn in this episode: What a value stream is and why it matters more than department efficiency. How siloed departments create waste, friction, and broken handoffs. How organizing by geography (podium/skin/tower) mirrors value-stream thinking on projects. Why value-stream organization enables repeatable systems and better support for crews. How to measure performance by value-stream outcomes instead of local department metrics. Where in your company are people optimized for department "efficiency," when what you really need is flow all the way to the customer and the field? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw  

In this episode, Jason Schroeder introduces the concept of water spiders in construction and explains why this overlooked role is critical to maintaining flow. Borrowed from Lean manufacturing, a water spider is a dedicated support function that keeps crews installed without interruption by handling logistics, materials, information, and waste. Jason breaks down how this role reduces variation, prevents overburden, and protects Takt rhythm while challenging the industry to stop paying for chaos instead of investing in flow. What you'll learn in this episode: What a water spider is and why the role exists in Lean systems. How water spiders eliminate motion, waiting, and variation on jobsites. Why crews searching for materials is a sign the system is broken. How pre-kitting, zone-based delivery, and just-in-time logistics protect Takt. Why ignoring this role leads to delays, waste, and hidden project costs. Are your crews installing or are they constantly on treasure hunts because no one is protecting the flow? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw

In this episode, Jason Schroeder explains why the layout of space whether on a jobsite or in a manufacturing facility can quietly become your most limiting constraint if it isn't designed on purpose. Through real-world examples from modular manufacturing and construction sites, he shows how poor layouts choke flow, create bottlenecks, and force costly rework. The core message is simple: design the production system first, then design the space to support it otherwise the space will control you instead of the other way around. What you'll learn in this episode: Why space layout often becomes the hidden bottleneck in production and construction. How to design the production system first and let it dictate the layout of the space. The role of flow, bottlenecks, and Takt thinking in designing manufacturing and jobsite layouts. How poor site layouts create excess motion, transportation, and wasted cost. Why beginning with the end in mind prevents trailers, conexes, and equipment from blocking progress. Where is your space limiting your flow and what would change if you redesigned the layout to support the work instead of fighting it? If you like the Elevate Construction podcast, please subscribe for free and you'll never miss an episode.  And if you really like the Elevate Construction podcast, I'd appreciate you telling a friend (Maybe even two 😊). Also, here are links to our YouTube Channels: · Jason Schroeder YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4xpRYvrW5Op5Ckxs4vDGDg  · LeanTakt YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/leanTakt · LeanSuper YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQDevqQP19L4LePuqma3Fg/featured · LeanSurvey YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Ztn3okFhyB_3p5nmMKnsw