#367: Rebecca Liao, CEO of Saga, on Crypto’s Political Playbook, Launching an L1 for L1s, and Web3 Gaming

Pratik Gauri is the founder & CEO of 5ire.org, one of the world’s fastest-growing unicorns that achieved the coveted billion-dollar valuation less than one year from the day it was founded. He conceptualized the term 5th industrial revolution as a founding principle for shaping a for-purpose world that combines sustainability, innovation, and business viability. In this conversation, we discuss:- How blockchain will transform the fintech landscape in the next decade- Sustainability approach, how 5ire minimizes the carbon footprint- Enhancing inclusivity and accessibility in DeFi- Navigating regulation- Role of AI and data- Building trust and security- Combining profit and purpose- The 5th industrial revolution- Sustainable proof of stake model- ESG layer build into the blockchain- RWAs and AI will move the next bull market- Hiring talent in web35ireWebsite: www.5ire.orgX: @5ireChainDiscord: discord.gg/5irePratik GauriWebsite: www.pratikgauri.inX: @pratikgauri ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

John Patrick Mullin is a Hong Kong-based entrepreneur and builder, focused on DeFi, blockchain technology, digital assets, and Web3. John has been investing/building in the crypto and digital assets space for over 10 years, having worked in decentralized finance and exchange/brokerage businesses.John helped found MANTRA, a Layer 1 blockchain for RWA tokenization, and has raised tens of millions of dollars for various ventures while working with a dedicated team of 50+ builders worldwide.In this conversation, we discuss:- Reason for strong interest in RWAs & MANTRA- Convergence of Blockchain & TradFi’s- RWA’s hype or real show- Institutional adoption of RWAs, where is retail lacking?- Challenges of building regulated RWA blockchain- Success with Mag Global (real-estate in Dubai) & Novus Aviation- Technological innovation in the RWA space + future of RWAs- Crypto needs the killer consumer facing app- RWAs = opening financial access to the masses - 3 phases of RWA = adoption, liquidity, discoverability - The future of MANTRAMANTRAWebsite: www.mantrachain.ioX: @MANTRA_ChainTelegram: t.me/MANTRA_ChainJohn Patrick MullinX: @jp_mullin888LinkedIn: John Patrick Mullin ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Edison Chen is the Co-founder and CEO of CUDIS, a Web3 startup incentivizing healthy habits. A UCLA grad and serial entrepreneur, he has managed a $200 million fund in a top-tier VC with a background in consumer tech, fashion and blockchain.In this conversation, we discuss:- What are the benefits of web3 for wearables? (data, incentives)- DePIN wellness and wearable products- The intersection of wellness, AI, and blockchain technology- Building on Solana- Giving data back to the consumers- Oura and comparisons to CUDIS- Cudis events at Solana Breakpoint- New 5mil raise from Draper Associates and Anthony Scaramucci- How CUDIS promotes a healthier lifestyle- Pre-orders and launch on Solana- The future of CUDUS CUDISWebsite: www.cudis.xyzX: @CudisWellnessDiscord: discord.gg/cudisEdison ChenX: @EDCBeatBitLinkedIn: Edison Chen  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Hugo Philion, a globally recognized speaker and thought leader, is a Co-Founder of Flare and CEO of Flare Labs. Flare is the blockchain for data: an EVM smart contract platform specifically designed to support data-intensive use cases, including machine learning, real-world asset tokenization, gaming, and social.In this conversation, we discuss:- The problem of existing oracle systems- How Flare achieves rich and decentralized data with its enshrined oracles- Flare Time Series Oracle & Flare Data Connector’s overview and use cases- Unique role of Flare’s infrastructure providers including Google Cloud- Blockchains for use cases like AI- TradFi = legal guarantees, crypto = software guarantees- EVM Layers 1s- How oracles power sports betting- Sports betting arbitrage- USA presidential debate- Trusted Execution Environment (TEE)- Limitations of current Dapps and how we get to mass adoption- Web2-like experiences with Web3 guaranteesFlareWebsite: flare.networkX: @FlareNetworksTelegram: t.me/FlareNetworkHugo PhilionX: @HugoPhilionLinkedIn: Hugo Philion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Bill Laboon is the Director of Education and Governance Initiatives at the Web3 Foundation, after spending the previous five years teaching Computer Science at the University of Pittsburgh. He is the author of two books: A Friendly Introduction to Software Testing, an undergraduate textbook; and Strength in Numbers, a near-future novel set in a world in which cryptocurrency has eliminated traditional money.In this conversation, we discuss:- Future growth and evolution of the Polkadot ecosystem- Reaching 1000 referendums in the Polkadot ecosystem- Dot Play and Kylix Finance- The Decentralized Futures grant programme- Zug is the crypto valley of the world- Importance of regulatory oversight in crypto- Upcoming US election- Trump launching World Liberty Coin- Web3 education in LATAM- Polkadot isn’t one blockchain, it’s 51 different para-chains- Friend.tech going under- Crypto needs end-user consumer appsWeb3 FoundationWebsite: web3.foundationX: @Web3foundationBill LaboonX: @BillLaboonLinkedIn: Bill Laboon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Graeme Moore is the Head of Tokenization at the Polymesh Association, a not-for-profit dedicated to the growth of the Polymesh blockchain ecosystem. He is also the author of B is for Bitcoin, the first-ever ABC book about Bitcoin. Prior to Polymesh, Graeme was the first employee at Polymath; the creative director at Spartan Race; and an associate at Canada’s largest independent investment advisory firm.In this conversation, we discuss:- Institutional grade Layer 1s- Governance is underrated in crypto- Public-permissioned blockchain- The 5 pillars of Polymesh - governance, confidentiality, compliance, settlement, identify- Tokenizing Old Stone Church in Colorado- REtokens - RWA tokens for real estate- TradFi tokenizing crypto assets and crypto assets being TradFi’ed- Crypto = money legos- Creating new liquidity venues- OpenSea Wells Notice- Writing “B is for Bitcoin,” the first-ever ABC book about Bitcoin- The relation between TradFi and cryptoPolymesh Website: polymesh.networkX: @PolymeshNetworkGraeme MooreX: @MooreGramsLinkedIn: Graeme Moore ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Rebecca Liao is the CEO of Saga and an advisor to Sommelier Protocol, where she is designing their DAO. She is also the co-founder, advisor, and former COO at Skuchain, a currency agnostic blockchain for global trade. Before Skuchain, she was director of business development and head of Asia for Globality, a Softbank-backed B2B unicorn for AI-powered procurement of professional services.Rebecca was a member of President Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign, where she helped advise on China, technology, and Asia economic policy. She also served on Secretary Clinton’s foreign policy team for her 2016 presidential campaign, responsible for Asia trade and economic policy.She also writes for the New York Times, Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, The Atlantic, Bloomberg View, and various other publications. Rebecca is also a fellow at the Stanford Program in Law, Science, and Technology, where she focuses on tech policy.In this conversation, we discuss:- Launching an L1 for L1s- Crypto’s political playbook- Working for President Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign- Politics and crypto- Empowering developers- Monolithic blockchains- Present day web3 gaming- Web3 entertainment- Web3 games need L1s for scalability and zero gas fees- Little - Saga’s liquidity integration layer- Saga Origins, the publishing arm of the Saga ProtocolSagaWebsite: www.saga.xyzX:  @Sagaxyz__Rebecca LiaoX: @beccaliaoLinkedIn: Rebecca Liao  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

SlumDOGE Millionaire was recently unveiled as the face of $NEIRO, providing a firm seal of approval for the upstart meme coin. SlumDOGE Millionaire gained public recognition after he turned roughly $180,000 into over $3 million in $DOGE, a story which was chronicled in the documentary ‘This Not Financial Advice’, featured on Apple TV, Amazon Video and other streaming services. Catapulting him to the cover of The New York Times and the Ryan Seacrest Morning Show in Los Angeles, SlumDOGE Millionaire’s unlikely story has also been covered by the likes of CNBC, MSNBC, Business Insider, TIMES Magazine, and was featured in ABC Australia documentary ‘Crypto Mania’ as well as CNBC’s mini-doc ‘How I Became An Overnight Dogecoin Millionaire’.In this conversation, we discuss:- The playbook for trading meme coins- Measuring conviction and memecoin narratives- Turning roughly $180,000 into over $3 million in $DOGE- NEIRO’s origin story- The key factor behind NEIRO’s meteoric recent rise- Many meme coins struggle with long-term value creation … how do we flip this trend?- Identifying investing trends- The art of risk taking- Meme stocksNeiroWebsite: www.neirocoin.xyzX: @NeiroOnEthereumTelegram: t.me/neiro_ethereumSlumDOGE MillionaireX: @ProTheDoge ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Jag Singh is the CEO and co-founder of re.al, an L2 build to facilitate deep onchain liquidity for tokenized RWAs. re.al seeks to redefine how RWAs are integrated into DeFi, using yield-generating real-world assets as novel building blocks in existing DeFi primitives.In this conversation, we discuss:- Real World Asset thesis- TVL/RWA yields- Benefits of tokenizing real-world assets- On-chain Home Loans- Building on Arbitrum- Current market discussion- Transparent rewards program- Value accrual to community- Vertically integrated ecosystem- Rewards and points programs- Season 2 rewards goalsre.alWebsite: www.re.alX: @real_rwaDiscord: discord.gg/realrwaJag SinghX: @jagTNFT LinkedIn: Jag Singh ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50

Dr. Ben Goertzel is a highly influential figure in the fields of artificial intelligence, robotics, and computational finance. Born in 1966, he has been a pioneering force in multiple scientific and technological domains. With a Ph.D. in Mathematics from Temple University, Goertzel has dedicated his career to both the theoretical and practical applications of AI, striving to bridge the gap between machine intelligence and human-like cognition. He helped popularize the term “artificial general intelligence” and he has been a strong advocate for moving the field of AGI.Dr. Goertzel leads the SingularityNET Foundation, the enterprise AI firm TrueAGI, the OpenCog Foundation, and the AGI Society. Additionally, he is the facilitator of the Artificial General Intelligence conference, held annually for more than fifteen years.In this conversation, we discuss:- The future of AI & Blockchain- The history and future of AI- How AI and blockchain work together- Artificial General Intelligence- Artificial Superintelligence Alliance (ASI) merger- $ASI- The killer use case for blockchain-based AI- AI product lifecycle- How AI agents can make our lives easier- AI-based fraud detection is more efficient on the blockchainSingularityNET FoundationWebsite: singularitynet.ioX: @SingularityNETTelegram: t.me/singularitynetBen GoertzelX: @bengoertzelLinkedIn: Ben Goertzel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------  This episode is brought to you by PrimeXBT.  PrimeXBT offers a robust trading system for both beginners and professional traders that demand highly reliable market data and performance. Traders of all experience levels can easily design and customize layouts and widgets to best fit their trading style. PrimeXBT is always offering innovative products and professional trading conditions to all customers.   PrimeXBT is running an exclusive promotion for listeners of the podcast. After making your first deposit, 50% of that first deposit will be credited to your account as a bonus that can be used as additional collateral to open positions.  Code: CRYPTONEWS50  This promotion is available for a month after activation. Click the link below:  PrimeXBT x CRYPTONEWS50