Part 4: A Back and Forth Thing

Barbara sits down with the lead detective on the case Johneen Jones and her partner Steve Castro to answer some listener questions. Later, speaking for the first time publicly on the case, the prosecutor Gretchen Ford joins the crew. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Family secrets are exposed by an FBI forensics search of the sister’s computers, and a third, elusive Blackstone sister makes an appearance. Then, one of Wendy Blackstone’s secrets are revealed – information that friends believe could have kept her alive, if only Jill had known. And finally, we hear Wendy’s own words, from the weeks, days, and moments before she died. Sponsored By: Better Help - This podcast is sponsored by Better Help - Visit BetterHelp.com/Blackstone today to get 10% off your first month! Hello Fresh - Go to HelloFresh.com/50badbadthing and use code 50badbadthing for 50% 0ff plus FREE shipping! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Evidence kept under wraps until now sheds new light on secrets Jill Blackstone had been keeping. And two people closest to the case break their years long silence to help set the record straight, about what really happened to Wendy Blackstone.  Sponsored By: Better Help - This podcast is sponsored by Better Help - Visit BetterHelp.com/Blackstone today to get 10% off your first month! Hello Fresh - Go to HelloFresh.com/50badbadthing and use code 50badbadthing for 50% 0ff plus FREE shipping! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jill Blackstone finally explains why she wasn’t in the garage with Wendy and the dogs. The Blackstone trial is resolved, yet doubt remains. But an anonymous source comes foreword with new information to make sure Wendy Blackstone’s story is never forgotten. This podcast is sponsored by Better Help - Visit BetterHelp.com/Blackstone today to get 10% off your first month! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A stunning three-and-a-half-hour interview police conducted with Jill Blackstone, released here publicly for the first time, exposes new details about the decades long Blackstone sisterhood and how Wendy and the dogs might have died.   See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Suspicious evidence leads to Jill Blackstone’s arrests, and an upcoming trial. Friends of both sisters share stories of Wendy’s disabilities, and their special bond. First responders reveal the contents of notes found in the sister’s house, and a letter found by Wendy’s body.  This podcast is sponsored by Better Help - Visit BetterHelp.com/Blackstone today to get 10% off your first month! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

A sisterhood is shattered, when Wendy Blackstone – who was nearly blind and deaf, is found dead in a garage next to a tipped over barbecue grill. Also in the garage? Three rescue dogs. Police do not believe Wendy’s sister Jill Blackstone, a respected TV producer, who claims Wendy and some of the dogs died by accident. Sponsored By:  Hello Fresh - Go to HelloFresh.com/50badbadthing and use code 50badbadthing for 50% 0ff plus FREE shipping! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

TV show producer Jill Blackstone is accused of killing her disabled sister Wendy, and some of their rescue dogs, by leaving them in a garage with a barbecue grill. Jill blames the deaths on accidental monoxide poisoning  But police believe she staged the scene. Who will you believe? Coming October 4.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

For the first time, Dr. Ramani Durvasula and Mark Gerardot meet in person. Mark asks Dr. Ramani why she used the word narcissist to describe him, and then Dr. Ramani has some questions for Mark. And finally, Dr. Ramani reveals the most important psychological tool that would have helped all involved in this tragedy. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Dr. Ramani is in studio to answer questions from listeners, she shares her thoughts about the term “healthy narcissism” and then reveals the key component you need in order to have great relationships. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.