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#61 Kevin Kelly- Optimism & the Inevitable Future of Technology

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Kevin Kelly is Senior Maverick at Wired magazine. He co-founded Wired in 1993, and served as its Executive Editor for its first seven years. His newest book is Excellent Advice for Living, a book of 450 modern proverbs for good living. He is co-chair of The Long Now Foundation, a membership organization that champions long-term thinking and acting as a good ancestor to future generations. And he is founder of the popular Cool Tools website, which has been reviewing tools daily for 20 years. From 1984-1990 Kelly was publisher and editor of the Whole Earth Review, a subscriber-supported journal of unorthodox conceptual news. He co-founded the ongoing Hackers’ Conference, and was involved with the launch of the WELL, a pioneering online service started in 1985. Other books by Kelly include 1) The Inevitable, a New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller, 2) Out of Control, his 1994 classic book on decentralized emergent systems, 3) The Silver Cord, a graphic novel about robots and angels, 4) What Technology Wants, a robust theory of technology, and 5) Vanishing Asia, his 50-year project to photograph the disappearing cultures of Asia.  He is best known for his radical optimism about the future.

Summary

Kevin Kelly discusses his influences, the concept of 'Thousand True Fans', the importance of time over money, and the role of optimism and imagination in shaping the future. He emphasizes the significance of curiosity, the process of meaning-making, and the implications of technology as an extension of nature. Kelly also explores the future of AI, the concept of the technium, and the need for unlearning in a rapidly changing world. He speaks his newest book which offers practical advice for living. Kevin shares his perspectives about life, technology and much more. 

Chapters

 

06:25 The Thousand True Fans Concept

12:14 The Value of Time and Wealth

18:35 Optimism and Imagination

24:18 Curiosity and Success

30:21 Meaning Making and Technology

31:22 The Lifelong Quest for Meaning

34:45 Technology as a Catalyst for Talent

39:26 The Importance of Unlearning and Learning

42:37 Understanding the Technium

48:02 Incentives and the Future of Technology

51:12 The Evolution of AI and Its Impact

57:59 Envisioning a Desirable Future

 

Kevin Kelly https://kk.org/

https://www.instagram.com/kevin2kelly/

 

Christopher Michel Photography for Kevin Kelly’s Photo

https://www.christophermichel.com/New-Heroes/Kevin-Kelly

 

Intro and exit music used: Strange the dreamer by Savfk - www.youtube.com/@savfkmusic

 

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Keywords

 

Kevin Kelly, Thousand True Fans, 1000 true fans, optimism, imagination, technology, AI, meaning making, technium, curiosity, future scenarios, long now foundation, whole earth catalog, Artificial intelligence, computer learning, technological progress, 

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