133. WTF is "Disgust Theology" // with Billie and Paul Hoard

Summary In this conversation, Tim and April discuss the recent events involving Josh Howerton and Mark Driscoll. They talk about Josh's apology and the similarities between his apology and another pastor's apology. They also discuss Mark's controversial remarks at the Stronger Men's Conference and his use of the Jezebel spirit trope. The conversation delves into the problematic nature of these actions and the reactions from the audience and online community. In this conversation, Tim and April discuss the recent controversy surrounding Mark Driscoll and his involvement in the Stronger Men's Conference. They explore the dynamics of the charismatic world and its tendency to look for demons everywhere, as well as the intersection of Christian nationalism and charismatic beliefs. They also highlight the lack of accountability and the documented legacy of abuse associated with Mark Driscoll. The conversation touches on the internalized misogyny within evangelical circles and the problematic views on women's modesty. They conclude by discussing the recent developments involving John Lindell and his call for Mark Driscoll to repent. Takeaways Apologies should be genuine and not copied from others Using the Jezebel spirit trope is sexist and misogynistic Mark Driscoll's actions and remarks are calculated and attention-seeking The reactions from the audience and online community reveal the problematic nature of these actions. The charismatic world is often primed to look for demons everywhere, and this tendency is amplified when combined with Christian nationalist beliefs. Mark Driscoll has a history of abuse and a lack of accountability, yet he continues to gain a following and promote his new book. There is a prevalent issue of internalized misogyny within evangelical circles, with many women defending Mark Driscoll despite his problematic views and treatment of women. John Lindell has called out Mark Driscoll for his actions and has received death threats as a result. The concept of 'modesty' in evangelical circles is often misused and places the burden on women to manage men's thoughts and actions. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Setting 07:07 Josh Howerton's Apology and Plagiarism 31:26 Mark's Calculated Actions and Reactions 43:04 John Lindell's Call for Mark Driscoll to Repent Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this conversation, Tim Whitaker and Dan Koch discuss the upcoming book by Richard B. Hayes, a respected New Testament scholar, titled 'The Widening of God's Mercy: A Thoroughly Biblical Account of LGBTQ Affirmation in the Church.' They explore the potential impact of the book and the various reactions it has received. They also discuss the importance of acknowledging the harm caused by previous non-affirming positions and the need for an apology. They consider the strategic implications of the book and its potential to shift the conversation in white evangelical spaces. They highlight the importance of listening to the voices of queer Christian scholars and the potential for the book to provide validation and support for those navigating their faith and sexuality. In this conversation, Tim Whitaker and Dan Koch discuss the complexities of personal beliefs and the influence of family and media. They explore the idea of holding contradictory views and the importance of integration and growth. Takeaways Richard B. Hayes, a respected New Testament scholar, has written a book titled 'The Widening of God's Mercy: A Thoroughly Biblical Account of LGBTQ Affirmation in the Church.' The book has received various reactions, ranging from skepticism to hopefulness. It is important to acknowledge the harm caused by previous non-affirming positions and to apologize for the damage done. The book has the potential to make a significant impact in white evangelical spaces, particularly among the rank and file members of churches. The strategic implications of the book should be considered, as it may provide validation and support for those navigating their faith and sexuality. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 06:47 Reactions and Expectations 26:52 Validation and Support for Navigating Faith and Sexuality 42:28 The Importance of Integration and Growth Connect with Dan Koch Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary Sharon McMahon discusses her background. She emphasizes the importance of pluralism and focusing on behaviors rather than beliefs. She shares her passion for government and history, as well as the process of writing her book The Small and the Mighty.  Takeaways Engaging with different perspectives can be challenging but is essential for personal growth and learning. Online harassment is a significant issue, with women and minorities often facing more severe threats and abuse. Christian nationalism is a threat to democracy, with some proponents advocating for authoritarianism and the exclusion of certain groups. Polarization in American politics is not new, but the current era is unique due to factors such as the internet and media fragmentation. The founding of America was not explicitly intended to be a Christian nation, and the principles of democracy should be prioritized over religious affiliation. When voting, it is important to consider a candidate's character, commitment to democratic principles, and long-term impact rather than focusing solely on specific policies. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Background 03:00 Questioning Faith and Beliefs 06:04 Pluralism and Behaviors 09:56 Dealing with Misinformation and Fake Experts 14:56 Passion for Government and History 21:47 Challenges of Being a Content Creator 32:44 Engaging with Different Perspectives 35:38 The Meanest Group on the Internet 41:21 Polarization in American History 45:02 Christian Nationalism and its Impact 51:21 The Founding of America and Christian Influence 01:02:18 Critical Thinking in the Voting Process Connect with Sharon McMahon Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Summary In this conversation, Tim responds to a viral clip of a mega church pastor giving marriage advice. He critiques the pastor's perspective on marriage, particularly the gendered and stereotypical views that men don't care about weddings and women's bodies belong to their husbands. Tim argues that this mentality wreaks havoc on people, especially women, and promotes unhealthy dynamics in marriages. He also discusses the damaging effects of purity culture and the lack of comprehensive sex education in evangelicalism. Tim concludes by urging for a more mutual and respectful approach to marriage. Takeaways Gendered and stereotypical views in marriage advice can be harmful and promote unhealthy dynamics. Purity culture teachings can lead to unsatisfactory sex lives and unhealthy marriages. Comprehensive sex education and open communication are essential for a healthy and mutual marriage. Mutuality and respect should be prioritized in marriages, rather than rigid gender roles. Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this conversation, Tim Whitaker interviews Reverend Susan Langner, who was the subject of a YouTube video where a young man confronts her for being a female LGBTQ affirming pastor. They discuss the incident, the challenges of being a woman in ministry, and their different experiences with the Bible. Susan shares her upbringing in a progressive church and the importance of questioning and open-mindedness. They also explore the cultural context of biblical stories and the need for deeper understanding. The conversation highlights the tension between fundamentalist interpretations and more nuanced approaches to faith. In this conversation, Tim and Susan discuss the challenges of interpreting scripture accurately and the cultural assumptions and nuances that can be missed. They explore the impact of fundamentalism and the need for good faith dialogue. They also touch on the experiences of women in ministry and the misogyny and sexism they face. The conversation delves into the themes of deconstruction, the reconciling of conflicting beliefs, and the importance of creating inclusive spaces. They also discuss the power of music in worship and the need for more theologically rich and inclusive songs. Takeaways The incident of the YouTube video highlights the challenges faced by women in ministry and the backlash they can receive from more conservative Christians. Susan's upbringing in a progressive church allowed her to question and explore different interpretations of the Bible, leading to a more nuanced understanding of faith. Understanding the cultural context of biblical stories is crucial for a deeper interpretation and can challenge traditional understandings. The tension between fundamentalist interpretations and more open-minded approaches to faith is an ongoing struggle in many religious communities. Interpreting scripture accurately requires an understanding of cultural assumptions and nuances. Fundamentalism often prioritizes owning and destroying opposing arguments rather than engaging in good faith dialogue. Women in ministry frequently face misogyny and sexism, but there are supportive congregations as well. Deconstruction involves questioning and reevaluating beliefs, which can be a painful but liberating process. Creating inclusive spaces and worship experiences is essential for embracing diversity and fostering a sense of belonging. Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this conversation, Tim and April discuss negative reviews Tim has received for his podcast and delve into the topic of prophecy. They also analyze a controversial statement made by pastor Josh Howerton about women's roles on their wedding night. The conversation highlights the unrealistic expectations and harmful stereotypes perpetuated by purity culture and the need for open and honest discussions about sex and relationships. In this conversation, Tim and April discuss the harmful rhetoric and misinformation spread by Christian nationalists. They also delve into the controversy surrounding President Joe Biden's recognition of the Trans Day of Visibility on Easter Sunday, which sparked outrage among Christian nationalists. The conversation exposes the hypocrisy and disingenuousness of these individuals, who claim to be defending Christianity while promoting hate and discrimination. The hosts emphasize the need for critical thinking and a more compassionate approach to faith. Takeaways The statement made by pastor Josh Howerton about women's roles on their wedding night perpetuates harmful stereotypes and unrealistic expectations. Purity culture can create unrealistic expectations and hinder healthy discussions about sex and relationships. Open and honest conversations about sex and relationships are necessary to challenge harmful beliefs and promote healthy attitudes. Harmful rhetoric and misinformation perpetuated by Christian nationalists can have damaging effects on individuals and communities. The controversy surrounding President Joe Biden's recognition of the Trans Day of Visibility on Easter Sunday highlights the intolerance and discrimination of Christian nationalists. Christian nationalists often prioritize their own interests and beliefs over the well-being and rights of marginalized groups. A more compassionate and critical approach to faith is needed to counteract the harmful influence of Christian nationalism. Follow April Ajoy on Instagram Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this conversation, Tim and Dr. Randal Rauser respond to a video from the Within Reason Podcast hosted by atheist Alex O'Connor, in which he discusses William Lane Craig's defense of the Canaanite slaughter in the Bible. They discuss the moral implications of God commanding the killing of innocent children and the justification of genocide. They also explore the concept of divine command morality and its implications for moral intuitions. The conversation raises questions about the consistency of God's moral commands and the trustworthiness of moral intuition. In this conversation, Tim and Randall discuss the moral implications of God commanding the killing of innocent children in the Bible. They explore the theological justifications offered by William Lane Craig and critique them, highlighting the moral repugnance of such actions. They also discuss the impact on the soldiers who carried out these commands and the potential dangers of interpreting ancient texts literally in a contemporary context. The conversation raises important questions about the nature of morality and the role of religion in shaping ethical beliefs. Takeaways The theological justifications offered by William Lane Craig for God commanding the killing of innocent children are morally repugnant. Interpreting ancient texts literally in a contemporary context can lead to dangerous justifications for violence and harm. Religious beliefs need to be critically analyzed along with their implications for moral decision-making. Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this conversation, Tim, Janice, and Ashlee discuss their origin story and how they connected on social media. They delve into the pitfalls of social media deconstruction content creation, grifters, what healthy accountability looks like, and why caution when choosing who to platform is critical. They also discuss why decolonizing is essential to the work of deconstruction and needs to be prioritized in progressive christian communities. Takeaways Learning from past mistakes is crucial for personal growth and building healthy relationships. The pitfalls of social media include the pressure to constantly create content and the temptation to monetize and exploit others' pain. Accountability is essential in the online space, and it is important to question the motives and actions of those in positions of influence. Platforming those who have previously caused harm should be approached with nuance, considering the potential for redemption and growth, while also holding individuals accountable for ongoing patterns of harm. Recognize the privilege and power dynamics in content creation, particularly for white men, and actively work to amplify marginalized voices. Decolonization is a process that takes time, and it is important to be open to learning from mistakes and engaging with diverse perspectives. Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Summary In this episode, Tim and Andrew L. Whitehead discuss recent events related to Christian nationalism. They start by examining Donald Trump's attempt to sell a Bible during Holy Week, highlighting the disconnect between his actions and his claims of faith. They then delve into the concept of Christian nationalism and its association with persecution. The conversation shifts to the Society for American Civic Renewal, a men-only group aiming to reshape America as a conservative Christian nation. Finally, they explore Project 2025, a collection of right-wing groups seeking to implement a policy plan that promotes Christian nationalism. The conversation explores the themes of Christian nationalism and power, the research on Christian nationalism, the interpretation of Christian nationalism, the Christian persecution complex, the connection between Christian nationalism and gifts of the spirit, the meaning of Good Friday in relation to Christian nationalism, and personal palette cleansers. Takeaways Donald Trump's attempt to sell a Bible during Holy Week highlights the disconnect between his actions and his claims of faith. Christian nationalism often involves a closed system of thinking that prioritizes a particular expression of Christianity and views other perspectives as threats. The Society for American Civic Renewal is a men-only group that seeks to reshape America as a conservative Christian nation, emphasizing patriarchal leadership and hierarchy. Project 2025 is a collection of right-wing groups that aims to implement a policy plan promoting Christian nationalism. Christian nationalism is about consolidating power and maintaining power for the in-group at the expense of out-groups. Research shows that a significant percentage of people believe Christian nationalism is a smear term, but also believe it is the only idea that will save the nation. Good Friday represents the idea of divesting power for the sake of others, while Christian nationalism seeks to build crosses for enemies instead of loving them. Check out our website for merch, educational materials, and how to join our community! If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices