How the Snake Dies: ICE, AMD, ARKK

Katie and Matt discuss conferences, baby names, private credit redemption requests, liquidity confusion, private credit inflows, Larry Fink’s annual letter, AI taking all the jobs, universal basic index funds, podcasters and fund managers being displaced by AI, shorting the consumer economy, owning everything, the coming SpaceX IPO, lockups, index fast-tracking, a SpaceX treasury company and Elon Musk no longer being amused by 420.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Matt and Katie talk to Boaz Weinstein of Saba Capital Management about his tenders for OBDC II and SREIT, semi-liquid fund liquidity, reflexivity, the lure of permanent capital, private credit NAVs, public vs. private BDC discounts, preserving brand value, volatility laundering, howling at the moon, bowling and, why not, DATs. You can also watch this episode on YouTubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss high school quiz bowl, Bill Ackman’s closed-end fund again, the rich history of CEFs trading at a discount, economically attractive places to work, preferred performance fees, private credit vibes, accepting illiquidity for high returns, marking private credit to market, NAV arbitrage, assassination markets, fine print and resistance to innovation. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss a legendary lost Money Stuff podcast episode, Paramount buying Warner Bros., rights offerings, LBO risks, deal discipline, breakup fees, BCRED, OBDC II, twisting arms at Blackstone, Credit Suisse toxic asset bonuses, liquidity premiums, short memories, XOVR and SpaceX liquidity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Matt and Katie are on vacation! There will be a new episode of Money Stuff in your feeds on March 6th.  In this episode from June 2025, Matt and Katie talk with their guest, Cliff Asness of AQR, about momentum, meme stocks, value, market timing, publishing, academics, explaining factors, how much to charge for alpha, private assets and machine learning. You can also watch this episode on YouTube. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss the SpaceX/xAI merger, the Kardashev scale, Twitter debt, index fast-tracking, people not being worried about SpaceX liquidity, closed-end fund activism, DAT discounts, the Bitcoin crash, Strategy, the week that software died, SaaS private equity, AI disruption and private credit funding stability.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss Morgan’s Pub, SpaceX/xAI merger talks, a $1.5 trillion valuation for Twitter, astrology, numerology, the Year of the Horse, Tether’s mountain lair, gold vault tourism, how to make a few more billion dollars, LMEs, law-firm conflicts and investment banking pep talks.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss the weather, Jamie Dimon’s whereabouts, Guinness latte art at the JPMorgan pub, debanking, memecoin logic, Gas Town, horses as a unit of money, memecoin IP, moonshot pay incentives, 24ish/7ish trading, blockchain blockchain blockchain, and supervising the computers on the cozy night shift.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss Beast Industries, immersion in cool liquids, crypto treasury pivots, credit card rate caps, PowerPoint tips and drug trial insider trading.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss Wyclef Jean, the backlash against proxy advisers, AI proxy voting, writing proxies for LLMs, things that annoy Jamie Dimon, private equity recruiting, banking loyalty oaths, the long path to private equity, home ownership, housing affordability, brownstones in Hoboken and stock buybacks.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.