EP #285 - Reimagining Church: Identity, Grace & Healing from Religious Trauma with Catherine Toon & Mike Zenker - Audio

In this powerful conversation, Catherine Toon and Mike Zenker dive deep into what it truly means to be the church—not just attend one. Together, they unpack complex yet crucial topics like identity in Christ, unlearning toxic doctrine, spiritual hunger, and healing from religious trauma. Discover how grace, humility, and authentic love trump rigid dogma, and why community and diverse perspectives are vital for spiritual growth. They also explore the radical nature of Jesus’ love, the struggle of loving the unlovable, and the journey of finding yourself again after religious hurt. This is an honest, compassionate dialogue about reclaiming your faith, understanding your true identity, and walking in unconditional love. Whether you've been hurt by the church, feel spiritually starved, or are just seeking deeper meaning, this episode offers hope, healing, and fresh perspective. www.growingingrace.com Contact Mike: https://hopefellowshipycc.com/ www.youtube.com/c/MichaelZenker Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd

In this powerful conversation, Catherine Toon and Mike Zenker dive deep into what it truly means to be the church—not just attend one. Together, they unpack complex yet crucial topics like identity in Christ, unlearning toxic doctrine, spiritual hunger, and healing from religious trauma. Discover how grace, humility, and authentic love trump rigid dogma, and why community and diverse perspectives are vital for spiritual growth. They also explore the radical nature of Jesus’ love, the struggle of loving the unlovable, and the journey of finding yourself again after religious hurt. This is an honest, compassionate dialogue about reclaiming your faith, understanding your true identity, and walking in unconditional love. Whether you've been hurt by the church, feel spiritually starved, or are just seeking deeper meaning, this episode offers hope, healing, and fresh perspective. www.growingingrace.com Contact Mike: https://hopefellowshipycc.com/ www.youtube.com/c/MichaelZenker Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd

In this inspiring and thought provoking episode, Catherine sits down with powerhouse publisher and grace champion, Robin Smith—founder of The Writer’s Society (TWS) and co-founder of the Grace Awakening Network (GAN). Get an insider look at how God is using Robin to launch voices into their purpose, publish grace-saturated works, and steward “the very good news” of the Gospel in fresh, creative ways. You’ll hear how TWS has published over 78 books in just 2.5 years, the birth of the Resurrection Life poetry project, and upcoming co-authored works like Finding Your Voice. Robin also shares how her personal story—from Word of Faith roots to radical grace advocate—informs everything she does. Resurrection Life: A Collection of Poetry: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1961180936? Contact Robin: https://linktr.ee/robintws Email: [email protected] GanTV: https://gantv.com/ Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd

In this inspiring and thought provoking episode, Catherine sits down with powerhouse publisher and grace champion, Robin Smith—founder of The Writer’s Society (TWS) and co-founder of the Grace Awakening Network (GAN). Get an insider look at how God is using Robin to launch voices into their purpose, publish grace-saturated works, and steward “the very good news” of the Gospel in fresh, creative ways. You’ll hear how TWS has published over 78 books in just 2.5 years, the birth of the Resurrection Life poetry project, and upcoming co-authored works like Finding Your Voice. Robin also shares how her personal story—from Word of Faith roots to radical grace advocate—informs everything she does. Resurrection Life: A Collection of Poetry: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1961180936? Contact Robin: https://linktr.ee/robintws Email: [email protected] GanTV: https://gantv.com/ Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd

In this powerful and prophetic dialogue, Dr. Catherine Toon sits down with Bill Vanderbush to explore his new book, "The Sound of Your Blood". Together, they unpack the deep spiritual, biblical, and atmospheric implications of the “voice” of our blood. What does your blood say about your inner life? What is creation echoing back to us? And how do our words, worship, and identity shape the world around us? This conversation dives deep into humanity's divine calling to steward the earth through sound, presence, and identity. Discover how worship, honesty with God, and creative gratitude usher heaven to earth. Bill and Catherine explore how judgment distorts creation, while blessing, sound, and love transform it. This episode is an invitation into your truest identity—a powerful, joy-filled child of God—called to awaken the world with divine glory. Whether you're hungry for deeper revelation, healing, or practical ways to partner with God's redemptive plan for creation, this conversation will leave you empowered and in awe. Key Takeaways: * The voice of your blood reveals your internal world. * Creation responds to human judgment, words, and worship. * We are called to steward the earth with spiritual authority. * Honesty with God is a gateway to personal and planetary healing. * Worship and sound release freedom, healing, and transformation. * Our identity in Christ is rooted in glory, not shame. * Spiritual awakening is key to redemptive influence. * Joy, gratitude, and creativity manifest heaven on earth. * The blood of Jesus is a divine transfusion of grace and power. * You are a “solutionary” in a world desperate for healing. Learn more about Bill Vanderbush and his book: The Sound of Your Blood – Available now on Amazon Website: https://billvanderbush.com/ Instagram: @billosopher59 Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @billvanderbush Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd

In this powerful and prophetic dialogue, Dr. Catherine Toon sits down with Bill Vanderbush to explore his new book, "The Sound of Your Blood". Together, they unpack the deep spiritual, biblical, and atmospheric implications of the “voice” of our blood. What does your blood say about your inner life? What is creation echoing back to us? And how do our words, worship, and identity shape the world around us? This conversation dives deep into humanity's divine calling to steward the earth through sound, presence, and identity. Discover how worship, honesty with God, and creative gratitude usher heaven to earth. Bill and Catherine explore how judgment distorts creation, while blessing, sound, and love transform it. This episode is an invitation into your truest identity—a powerful, joy-filled child of God—called to awaken the world with divine glory. Whether you're hungry for deeper revelation, healing, or practical ways to partner with God's redemptive plan for creation, this conversation will leave you empowered and in awe. Key Takeaways: * The voice of your blood reveals your internal world. * Creation responds to human judgment, words, and worship. * We are called to steward the earth with spiritual authority. * Honesty with God is a gateway to personal and planetary healing. * Worship and sound release freedom, healing, and transformation. * Our identity in Christ is rooted in glory, not shame. * Spiritual awakening is key to redemptive influence. * Joy, gratitude, and creativity manifest heaven on earth. * The blood of Jesus is a divine transfusion of grace and power. * You are a “solutionary” in a world desperate for healing. Learn more about Bill Vanderbush and his book: The Sound of Your Blood – Available now on Amazon Website: https://billvanderbush.com/ Instagram: @billosopher59 Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @billvanderbush Are you ready to release LIFE and LOVE instead of chaos? Don’t miss this thought-provoking, empowering conversation! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com * FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass” and align with your God-given calling: https://catherinetoon.com. * Your Partnership Changes Lives! Your tax-deductible donations enable us to spread this life-giving message far and wide. Partner with us today: https://catherinetoon.com/support. Like, Share, and Subscribe to bring hope and encouragement to your feed and others. Every click helps spread God’s transformative love. Thank you! Contact Bill Vanderbush: https://billvanderbush.com/ Facebook: @billvanderbushpublic Instagram: @billosopher59 X/Twitter: @billvanderbush YouTube: @@billvanderbush “Unveiled Horizons” available on Amazon Follow Catherine Toon: * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * LinkedIn: @CatherineToon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD * Pinterest: @catherinetoonmd

The spiritual laws of the kingdom are available to all—but are we operating in true relationship with Christ or just working spiritual principles for our own gain? While following God’s ways leads to life and abundance, we see these principles can be operated outside of relationship. We see this with:
 * Unrighteous people who seem to prosper outside of loving God and others
 * New Age seekers who tap into spiritual laws without Christ
 * Believers who mix truth/ministry with manipulation, compromise, and personal agendas Operating out of intimate relationship with Christ causes us to not only experience life and abundance as He defines them, but do the one eternal thing that ultimately matters: love as He loves. The sobering reality? Any of us can fall into the trap of valuing things above relationship with Him That’s why Jesus warns: Matthew 7:21-23 (TPT) “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into heaven’s kingdom... I will say to them, ‘Go away from me, you lawless rebels! I’ve never been joined to you!’” God only relates to who we truly are: not the false deceitful manipulative and fallen ways of beings and false identities - they will not last the fires of His Love. In this powerful and eye-opening message, we’ll explore:
 * Why relationship with Christ matters more than spiritual principles
 * How to examine our hearts and remove hidden motives
 * Why seeking God’s kingdom first leads to true abundance (Matthew 6:33)
 * How to recognize false prophets and avoid deception (Matthew 7:14-25)
 * The difference between operating in power vs. operating in love Let’s shift from simply working spiritual laws to walking in true, life-giving relationship with Jesus! Don’t miss this! Listen now and align your heart with God’s love and redemptive purposes! Special Opportunity:
FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass”: https://catherinetoon.com — don’t miss this chance to align with your God-given calling! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

The spiritual laws of the kingdom are available to all—but are we operating in true relationship with Christ or just working spiritual principles for our own gain? While following God’s ways leads to life and abundance, we see these principles can be operated outside of relationship. We see this with:
 * Unrighteous people who seem to prosper outside of loving God and others
 * New Age seekers who tap into spiritual laws without Christ
 * Believers who mix truth/ministry with manipulation, compromise, and personal agendas Operating out of intimate relationship with Christ causes us to not only experience life and abundance as He defines them, but do the one eternal thing that ultimately matters: love as He loves. The sobering reality? Any of us can fall into the trap of valuing things above relationship with Him That’s why Jesus warns: Matthew 7:21-23 (TPT) “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into heaven’s kingdom... I will say to them, ‘Go away from me, you lawless rebels! I’ve never been joined to you!’” God only relates to who we truly are: not the false deceitful manipulative and fallen ways of beings and false identities - they will not last the fires of His Love. In this powerful and eye-opening message, we’ll explore:
 * Why relationship with Christ matters more than spiritual principles
 * How to examine our hearts and remove hidden motives
 * Why seeking God’s kingdom first leads to true abundance (Matthew 6:33)
 * How to recognize false prophets and avoid deception (Matthew 7:14-25)
 * The difference between operating in power vs. operating in love Let’s shift from simply working spiritual laws to walking in true, life-giving relationship with Jesus! Don’t miss this! Listen now and align your heart with God’s love and redemptive purposes! Special Opportunity:
FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass”: https://catherinetoon.com — don’t miss this chance to align with your God-given calling! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

Are you ready to step into the fullness of God’s abundance? The principle of increase is not about greed or entitlement—it’s about aligning with God’s nature and receiving from His limitless, giving heart. God is saying: “The more you get—truly get “understand”—My abundance, My plenteous nature, and My luxurious love for you, the more you will experience it.” The lack you see is a product of the fall, but I am a God of redemption! In this transformational message, you’ll discover:
 * How to move from a scarcity mindset into God’s abundant overflow
 * What blocks the flow of God’s abundance—jealousy, entitlement, judgment & more
 * Why abundance isn’t about hoarding but stewarding God’s heart
 * How patience and trust unlock supernatural provision
 * The connection between humility, generosity, and receiving more from God Are you ready to break free from a limited mindset and step into God’s abundance? Don’t miss this! Listen now and align your heart with God’s love and redemptive purposes! Special Opportunity:
FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass”: https://catherinetoon.com — don’t miss this chance to align with your God-given calling! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!

Are you ready to step into the fullness of God’s abundance? The principle of increase is not about greed or entitlement—it’s about aligning with God’s nature and receiving from His limitless, giving heart. God is saying: “The more you get—truly get “understand”—My abundance, My plenteous nature, and My luxurious love for you, the more you will experience it.” The lack you see is a product of the fall, but I am a God of redemption! In this transformational message, you’ll discover:
 * How to move from a scarcity mindset into God’s abundant overflow
 * What blocks the flow of God’s abundance—jealousy, entitlement, judgment & more
 * Why abundance isn’t about hoarding but stewarding God’s heart
 * How patience and trust unlock supernatural provision
 * The connection between humility, generosity, and receiving more from God Are you ready to break free from a limited mindset and step into God’s abundance? Don’t miss this! Listen now and align your heart with God’s love and redemptive purposes! Special Opportunity:
FREE “Protect Your Purpose Masterclass”: https://catherinetoon.com — don’t miss this chance to align with your God-given calling! Resources to Bless You: * "Marked by Love, Revised & Expanded Edition" (#1 Best Seller!): https://bit.ly/3UGeJBI * Get God, Male & Female? on Audible: https://amzn.to/49hzCIM * FREE “How to Hear God” eBook: https://bit.ly/3cTNb49 * FREE Chapter from Marked by Love: https://markedbylovebook.com/free-chapter/ * Explore more resources: https://catherinetoon.com Your support changes lives! Partner with us to spread this life-giving message. Your tax-deductible donations help reach more people: https://catherinetoon.com/support/. Stay Connected and Share God’s Love! * Facebook: @CatherineToonMD * Instagram: @catherinetoon * Twitter: @CatherineToonMD * YouTube: @CatherineToon, MD Like, Share, and Subscribe to support this message of hope. Every click helps spread God’s love to a hurting world. Thank you!