Beyond the Veil: When Lori Met Chad and the Dream of Immortal Love Part I

Hosts and spouses Dr John and Lauren Matthias talk about the bombshell evidence entered into the Chad Daybell trial. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet. A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

On the second week of the Chad Daybell Trial, two major pieces of evidence were shared in court. You can listen to them both on this episode-Chad's daugher Emma talking to her dad after his arrest in June 2020, as well as a Patriarchal church blessing that Chad gave to Alex Cox in November 2019Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Hosts and spouses Dr John and Laure Matthias assess the opening statements from both the defense and prosecution. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.JOHN MATTHIAS is a licensed clinical and forensic psychologist with 30 years’ experience. He serves as an expert witness for the federal government and consults on high-profile cases for District Attorney’s offices and defense attorneys in several states. In the forensic area, Dr. Matthias has developed expertise in personality assessments, hidden behavioral motivations, complex trauma and criminal psychology. In the clinical realm, he has worked with numerous victims. He received his Master’s degree in Marriage, Family and Child counseling, as well his doctorate degree, from the University of Southern California. Dr. Matthias graduated with honors in philosophy from Princeton University, and he won the prestigious McCosh Thesis prize while there. In high school he graduated valedictorian from a large public high school in Chicago where he was chosen to participate in a ground-breaking valedictory study that continues to this day.LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet. A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.Barbara Jones Brown is the co-author of Vengeance Is Mine, The Mountain Meadows Massacre and Its Aftermath (Oxford University Press, 2023), about the most notorious crime in Mormon history near today's St. George, Utah. In 1857, a group of Mormon settlers massacred more than 100 men, women, and children in a California-bound wagon train: BOOK LINKBrown is the director of Signature Books, an indie publisher in Salt Lake City, Utah, which publishes thoroughly-researched books on Utah, Mormon, and Western American History. Previously she was the executive director of the Mormon History Association and historical director of Better Days 2020. Brown holds a Master’s degree in American history from the University of Utah and a Bachelor’s degree in journalism from Brigham Young University.LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet. A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Lauren goes live during lunch for the opening statements of Chad Daybell's murder trial on Wednesday, April 10th, as well as Day 2, April 11th. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube summarizing every day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Eighteen jurors have been chosen. Opening statements begin Wednesday, April 10th. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.As jury selection begins, we speak with two jurors from Lori Vallow Daybell's trial.LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet. A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Vicki Hoban, Chad Daybell's Aunt is in court every day along with Lauren Matthias. They share their experience with jury selection. Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.As jury selection begins, we speak with two jurors from Lori Vallow Daybell's trial.LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet. A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week.Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Join Hidden True Crime as we follow the Chad Daybell's trial beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom every day, doing lunch lives on YouTube and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast. As jury selection begins, we speak with two jurors from Lori Vallow Daybell's trial. LAUREN MATTHIAS was a television reporter for a decade, and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. Lauren and her husband John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season: 'Beyond the Veil' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.  A podcast that started at their dinner table has now turned into the dynamic husband and wife duo of Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, delving into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming at Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrimeOur Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

Chad Daybell's trial starts today and host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom for jury selection. This episode is every episode and interview Hidden True Crime has produced on this case, condensed into an hour-long crash course that prepare all of our listeners to follow along during the Doomsday Prophet Trial. Host Lauren Matthias plans to be in the courtroom every day and we will be livestreaming the trial each day on our YouTube Channel ...Lauren also plans to go live on YouTube and give nightly updates and prep podcast episodes. Stay tuned!Our Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

PART TWO: This interview with Suzanne was originally recorded in 2022. A friend of Chad Daybell for 15 years, Suzanna and Chad had a falling out once he started publishing books by Julie Rowe. Suzanne emailed him and told him that his new beliefs would "Lead to death and destruction".Find out what else Suzanne knows and discovers during this heart-to-heart talk with investigative journalist and Hidden True Crime host Lauren Matthias.LAUREN MATTHIAS spent a decade working as an anchor and reporter. She has reported for News Nation and now produces the Hidden True Crime Podcast along with her husband Dr. John Matthias, a forensic psychologist.HIDDEN: A TRUE CRIME PODCAST is: CRIMINAL PSYCHOLOGY REINVENTED. Join us on a journey into the darkest recesses of the human mind and the unconscious motivations that drive human behaviors in order to understand the world and ourselves.SUPPORT: https://www.patreon.com/hiddentruecrime Our Sponsors:* Check out Armoire and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: http://www.armoire.style* Check out My Life in a Book and use my code HIDDENTRUECRIME for a great deal: * Check out Ro Body: ro.co/HIDDEN* Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com/* Check out Shopify and use my code hiddentruecrime for a great deal: https://www.shopify.com/Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/hidden-a-true-crime-podcast1836/donationsAdvertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy