61. Comedian Zach Martina and The Council of The Epsteiners

Michael Muser is a restaurateur, a loudmouth, and not a genius. But he and his friend Pat Kiely do know people who have figured out how to create brilliant businesses and artistry in the culinary world and beyond. Every week they interview creators from chefs to comedians to find out what makes them tick, with a healthy dose of humor along the way.